Posted May 04, 2012
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SimonG
SimonG597
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
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hedwards
buy Evil Genius
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted May 04, 2012
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With that said, it would take a rather extraordinary project at this point to get me to back something else for a few months...
I put in on Spate and Dark Meridian knowing that they're likely to not get funded, but hoping that they will. Because they look like really cool projects. I may put a symbolic dollar in for Pinkerton road, but I don't have the money to buy in properly, and having a long list of KS supporters is something when she needs more money for something else. Being able to say this is how many people supported the project before it was released is useful.
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Niggles
MOMOSaysMAHAYO;)
Registered: Apr 2009
From Australia
Posted May 04, 2012
Thanks for pointing that out. Whats the point of having a goal, and if its not reached, they get the funds anyway? kind of silly...
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spindown
Beep Beep
Registered: Feb 2011
From United States
Posted May 04, 2012
For Kickstarter you need more than that. In order to start a project you need to be a permanent US resident with a social security number, a goverment-issued ID, a US bank account and a US credit card.
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lowyhong
resident bff
Registered: Dec 2008
From Singapore
Posted May 04, 2012
Added Skyjacker, thanks to DreadMoth's thread. The space combat video looks solid but nothing special, but it has a nice feature list. I'm really hoping they'll have Newtonian physics.
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AstralWanderer
New User
Registered: Apr 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted May 04, 2012
Grrr...I got bit by that Ogre bug (international shipping has a real sting there!) so I really need to lay off Kickstarter - but just to share the misery...
Defenders of the Realm (anything featuring Larry Elmore's artwork has *got* to be worth a look)
Dark Eon Assassin (solo boardgames are rare making this of interest but Mongoose have a mixed reputation on quality releases)
Modest Magic's Modular Terrain (quite reasonably priced 3D accessory for tabletop RPGs)
Cityographer - City Generator & Mapping Software (another tabletop RPG accessory - probably too specialised to list)
As some consolation for those whose fave projects failed recently, take a look at:
37 Saddest Failed Kickstarters
Defenders of the Realm (anything featuring Larry Elmore's artwork has *got* to be worth a look)
Dark Eon Assassin (solo boardgames are rare making this of interest but Mongoose have a mixed reputation on quality releases)
Modest Magic's Modular Terrain (quite reasonably priced 3D accessory for tabletop RPGs)
Cityographer - City Generator & Mapping Software (another tabletop RPG accessory - probably too specialised to list)
As some consolation for those whose fave projects failed recently, take a look at:
37 Saddest Failed Kickstarters
Post edited May 04, 2012 by AstralWanderer
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lowyhong
resident bff
Registered: Dec 2008
From Singapore
Posted May 04, 2012
Thanks Astral. I've come across those projects before but forgot to add them. I've added all 4.
EnigmaticT has also helped me change the thread title since I've included Indiegogo projects in the list. Thanks a lot bro!
EnigmaticT has also helped me change the thread title since I've included Indiegogo projects in the list. Thanks a lot bro!
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Niggles
MOMOSaysMAHAYO;)
Registered: Apr 2009
From Australia
Posted May 04, 2012
Geee whats with all the tabletop rpg's? (was never into them).
Dont really like indiegogo for some reason....
Dont really like indiegogo for some reason....
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JudasIscariot
Thievin' Bastard
Registered: Oct 2008
From Poland
Posted May 04, 2012
Donor the horror story has been cancelled.
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orcishgamer
Mad and Green
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
Posted May 04, 2012
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Dont really like indiegogo for some reason....
If you've never played OGRE or Car Wars I am very sad for you and I highly recommend you find a way to play them.
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jefequeso
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 04, 2012
Well, I'll put mine in here :P
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/940529766/nurf-nerfus-and-the-great-dungeon-shootout-3d
yeah, I realize that I spend a lot of time plugging my own stuff... :(
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/940529766/nurf-nerfus-and-the-great-dungeon-shootout-3d
yeah, I realize that I spend a lot of time plugging my own stuff... :(
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lowyhong
resident bff
Registered: Dec 2008
From Singapore
Posted May 05, 2012
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/940529766/nurf-nerfus-and-the-great-dungeon-shootout-3d
yeah, I realize that I spend a lot of time plugging my own stuff... :(
Post edited May 05, 2012 by lowyhong
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Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted May 05, 2012
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1465600975/echoes-of-eternia-a-modern-take-on-a-classic-desig
From those screenshots I'm betting it was made in RPG Maker.
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Starmaker
go Clarice!
Registered: Sep 2010
From Russian Federation
Posted May 05, 2012
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Indiegogo is to kickstarter as Your World is to WoW. This is why they have "flexible funding" - because COs were asking for it. If people were fully rational, it would have been impossible to get a single pledge for a flexible funding campaign.
Kickstarter is project-oriented. The site is built to attract pledges. The mechanism is geared for people who want to do something but lack the starting funds: "give me money to buy a laser cutter and I'll cut something awesome for each one of you". So if the cutter costs $5000 but the campaign collects only $2000, the cutter isn't getting bought (after all, if the creator had the remaining $3000, he should have asked for $2000).
But viral crowdfunding in general and Kickstarter in particular are highly attractive. So people started putting projects there as a means of advertising, asking not for the money they need to kickstart production (which is frequently $0) but simply the money they want to get from the campaign, as a psychological tool of dubious effectiveness*. Sometimes those projects fail and creators regret they cannot get the pledges they got - because they can actually deliver what they promised with less money.
*On one hand, you'd think people might be less incentivized to pledge to projects that met their goals - on the other hand, there's seriously a class of people who pledge only after the goal is met. On the third hand (I have three hands), reaching your (substantial) goal faster can get you to the promo pages. So the goal should be higher than the bare minimum, but not too high to discourage the last-chancers and slow the % progress.
Indiegogo is extremely campaign-organizer-oriented. The main page of Indiegogo is built exclusively to attract COs - especially COs that are pissed at Kickstarter (pay my bills folks, charity drives, COs who think they should be given money solely for their promotional efforts regardless of the goals). They really do not give a flying gentle caress about the success of your campaign.
The most important difference is that on Indiegogo MONEY GETS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY. I can't allcaps this enough. This is the reason for their internationality: Kickstarter's pledge mechanism is based on Amazon Payments' subscription system, and Amazon Payments is US-only. Paypal is more "international", but it takes your money right away.
Then, if the project was set to "fixed funding" and the funding fails, you get your money back, MINUS THE FEES.
If the project was set to "flexible funding", you do NOTget your money back AT ALL. So if you're donating to a "flexible funding" with a, say, $20000 goal, and they get only $2000, it's obvious that the project won't be moving forward in any fashion, and your money is LOST. Neither Indiegogo nor the project creator are obliged to return it. Gone is gone. You clicked a button to fund someone's dream, and look, they are X bucks closer to the dream. Sucker.
Kickstarter projects have this peculiar trait when there's an influx of pledges once the goal is reached. This is purely psychological. On the other hand, with flexible funding on Indiegogo, you are highly incentivized to only donate once the goal is met, unless the project is effectively a sales offer (e.g. "I will paint you a picture for $200").
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Niggles
MOMOSaysMAHAYO;)
Registered: Apr 2009
From Australia
Posted May 05, 2012
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*snip*
Not something i want to donate to i think. Way to go :/.