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Klumpen0815: The only Japanese I know (somewhere near Kobe) said, that people over there don't care for western games anyway, especcially complex RPGs (Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Gothic, etc..) and the like.
Maybe it has something to do with national pride.
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AFnord: Which is interesting, as JRPGs as we know them grew out of some of the (at the time) most complex WRPGs on the market. Mainly the Wizardry series.
Anime has its origin in Russia and France and nowadays everybody (but the makers like Hayao Miyazaki etc..) thinks that it's a Japanese invention. Since when do people care about origins?
Scotland was the last place where the bagpipe came after it was common in the near east and middle europe for a long time already but it's still commonly associated with Scotland which makes no real sense too (well, it has to do with military tradition now, I know).
Germany has the oldest known documented sword fencing tradition/styles and some european martial art styles are older than asian ones, but people don't care for history, it's all about marketing.
Post edited June 25, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: Anime has its origin in Russia and France and nowadays everybody (but the makers like Hayao Miyazaki etc..) thinks that it's a Japanese invention. Since when do people care about origins?
Scotland was the last place where the bagpipe came after it was common in the near east and middle europe for a long time already but it's still commonly associated with Scotland which makes no real sense too (well, it has to do with military tradition now, I know).
Germany has the oldest known documented sword fencing tradition/styles and some european martial art styles are older than asian ones, but people don't care for history, it's all about marketing.
Most of those things are things that people can no longer remember though. I'm sure that there are still plenty of people in Japan who have fond memories of playing the first few Wizardry titles on their work computers.
Japanese eroges are awesome PC games.
It really is a shame that Japan doesn't focus much on the PC market, because when the effort it put into it, you get some pretty solid ports of various Japanese titles. When on the right hardware, the Resident Evil trilogy is pretty good on the PC, and Silent Hill 2 & 3 are solid PC ports that with the right tweaks, completely outshine the HD collection versions of those games. Heck, even to some extent the infamous Final Fantasy VII port is pretty good as well, most of the complaints I hear are related to the music and if you play the music back with the included Yamaha softsynth, you get some tunes that actually sound a bit better than the PSX counterparts.
Ask KOEI to make their grand strategy games of the early 90s again, that and Uncharted Waters. I'll be a very happy person.
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cw8: Ask KOEI to make their grand strategy games of the early 90s again, that and Uncharted Waters. I'll be a very happy person.
Since I am currently playing Impressions' High Seas Trader (I got a good old big box), I would love to see the Uncharted Waters series rereleased because there isn't enough sailing games :P
Yes, I should try Sid Meiers' Pirates! and Corsairs gold, but, at the moment, I don't want to play specific buccaneers games but more 'free to try anything' games (if I can say that). But I surely will in the future.
And it's pretty hard to find a copy of 1869 (not a german only rerelease) :/

IIRC, the developers of the Mount & Blade series were great fans of the Koei Genghis Khan series...

Seriously Tecmo Koei (or Koei Tecmo in Europe now), consider rereleasing old strategy and RPG games, and obviously future sequels on PC !!! >:-|
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Huinehtar
Oh, you're in Osaka! I live here! ^_^ But I just got back internet yesterday after one month...

I gave up a long time ago to look for PC games here. So, yes, I buy them on GOG... or on the French Steam page. Yes, I can still access my homecountry's Steam page and see the deals. Well, almost all the deals since for example DA:O Ultimate is invisible, since it has never been released in France (but a friend bought it on Steam UK and gifted it to me).

The only downside is that I have to pay with means that have an address in France. So I have to transfer some mony from my japanese paypal account to my french one, and with that to charge my steam wallet, otherwise I couldn't buy anything with a japanese credit card...
Well, if you expect normal things from Japan you gonna have a very bad time....
I like the games made by Atlus, especially the SMT main series, I normally don't like console games but they make surprisingly good RPG's that I love, I emulated SMT 1 and 2 (fan-translated) on a SNES emulator and Nocturne on a PS2 emulator, and also Strange Journey which is a traditional-style dungeon crawler. Despite being quite "lite" I liked Persona 4 (haven't played the others) just because I like the characters, the dungeon bits were a bit crap.

Definitely my favorite (or only, really) Japanese game developer.

I think some Japanese media, not just games, has this unique charm and feel to it. Like how Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 are in a "Western" setting but you can absolutely know it's a Japanese game, the plot is just too strange and unorthodox to have been concocted in a Westerners head.
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Klumpen0815: Anime has its origin in Russia and France and nowadays everybody (but the makers like Hayao Miyazaki etc..) thinks that it's a Japanese invention.
This is patently false. Russia never had a tradition of either animation series / Saturday Morning cartoons or intentionally cheap and fast to produce animation.

Case in point, here are the prominent Soviet animated series:

Just You Wait! Basically Soviet Tom and Jerry, but with furries. 16 episodes, released at a rate of approximately 1 per year. These are standalone cartoons with recurring characters. 10 min/episode.

38 Parrots, talking animal adventures, same deal. 8 episodes in 3 years (stop motion animation so they had to put those puppets to good use). 8 min/episode.

Cossack adventures. Standalone cartoons with recurring characters. 10 to 20 minutes per episode, 1 episode per 3 years.

[url=http://Leopold the Cat]Leopold the Cat[/url]. Standalone cartoons with recurring characters. 10 min per episode, 11 episodes in 13 years.

Captain Vrungel. Now this is a proper "anime" series. 13 episodes made over 3 years but released together (an episode per day over, duh, 13 days), a single continuous storyline. It's even based on a [manga] episodic light novel and is about as faithful to it as you can expect (i.e., not at all). 7 min per episode is still too damn short. Note the year: 1981.

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Now, when Soviet animation is praised by the Japanese, the works that get mentioned are Yuri Norshteyn's
Hedgehog in the Fog
Tale of Tales

and the one Miyazaki himself is said to have praised is Lev Atamanov's work
The Snow Queen, a 1957 full-length animated movie with extremely high production values - so, basically, the Soviet Disney.

Apparently, you can watch it online - go watch it if you have an hour and are familiar with the story.
Don't have an hour? Here's The Golden Antelope, 30 min, and The Scarlet Flower (Beauty and the Beast, except the Beast is nice and the other women are jealous assholes), 40 min.

edit: what the hell, spoiler tags
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Starmaker
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cw8: Ask KOEI to make their grand strategy games of the early 90s again, that and Uncharted Waters. I'll be a very happy person.
Thank you! While a part of me likes the _____ Warriors series (Particularly those with "Empires".), I will be glad if KOEI decides to make another grand strategy game on the PC.
Japan has 2 things that differentiate itself from the mainstream west.
First, it's a cultural thing for them to prefer consoles, and with recent years, we've actually seen consoles kinda lacking in sales in Japan and handhelds growing more and more powerful. It's a more convenient way for them to game on consoles or handhelds. They do not want to bother with all the implications a PC and its OS have, or with the fact the PC is not a gaming dedicated platform. At least this is what a few of my Japanese friends told me.

Secondly, it's the genres that appeal there. Western RPGs, which is almost if not all the examples you gave, do not appeal there. If you seriously think they'd take Dragon Age: Origins over any Tales of game, or JRPG, be it action or turn based, then you're thinking this world is not unique enough. For me, it is a rare thing to see someone in Japan, that is also Japanese, to play mostly western games. Have you tried playing the Japan PS3 version of GTA IV? You're lucky if you find 10 people, literally. Now go on any western version of the same game and sometimes you find players by the tens of thousands.

Japan is a very different market, and bother to implement different things there is a waste of money as you probably won't be even getting your time and money investment back.

The title of this thread is the equivalent of "What is PC gamers problem with consoles?" or "What is GOG's/Steam's problem with consoles?"
Post edited June 26, 2014 by HijacK
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cw8: Ask KOEI to make their grand strategy games of the early 90s again, that and Uncharted Waters. I'll be a very happy person.
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Huinehtar: Since I am currently playing Impressions' High Seas Trader (I got a good old big box), I would love to see the Uncharted Waters series rereleased because there isn't enough sailing games :P
Yes, I should try Sid Meiers' Pirates! and Corsairs gold, but, at the moment, I don't want to play specific buccaneers games but more 'free to try anything' games (if I can say that). But I surely will in the future.
And it's pretty hard to find a copy of 1869 (not a german only rerelease) :/

IIRC, the developers of the Mount & Blade series were great fans of the Koei Genghis Khan series...
I've played High Seas Trader and Pirates! I still prefer Uncharted Waters 2 :D

Wow, I've absolutely no idea that the M&B devs were fans of Genghis Khan. I loved the 2nd game.
KOEI sure made a tonne of TBS DOS games back in the day, and remarkably nearly all of them got English releases.
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KingofGnG: Well, if you expect normal things from Japan you gonna have a very bad time....
I think the scariest thing about this is that I've actually already seen that video before.