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Posted February 07, 2013
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orcishgamer: From their legal page: "The introduction of emulators created to play illegally copied Nintendo software represents the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers."
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bevinator: The weirdest thing about Nintendo's stance on emulators is that their webpage assumes that you'll only be emulating things you've already pirated. They virtually don't even address the possibility that you're emulating games you legitimately purchased, except to say "well that's probably illegal too, or something!"
Actually they do address it, they state explicitly, that even if you bought the game, you're still probably a filthy pirate because you didn't make the "backup copy" yourself. They imply that the backup copy exemption is extremely narrow (without a shred of caselaw to back up the assertion, I might add) and it doesn't cover copies someone else created.
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McDon: Treated as piracy by nintendo though :)
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SirPrimalform: The Virtual Console is emulation so they're clearly fine with it in principle, it's piracy of their games that they're not ok with whether it's in the form of bootleg games or ROMs.
I doubt Nintendo will ever be content until we pay them literally each time we want to play their games, if not for every damned session of play.
Post edited February 07, 2013 by orcishgamer
Posted February 07, 2013
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orcishgamer: The DSLite probably still has the best library of titles available and it's the last handheld without region lockout, so yep, you can import games on it if you like. However certain types of games are probably better played on something like a PSP or Vita, still, DSLite is probably the easiest to recommend due to its massive library, extremely low price, good battery life, and lack of required extras (though I'd recommend a second charging cable and a carrying case that zips up and holds a few games).
I second this.
But don't forget that the PS Vita is region free too.
Posted February 07, 2013
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orcishgamer: The DSLite probably still has the best library of titles available and it's the last handheld without region lockout, so yep, you can import games on it if you like. However certain types of games are probably better played on something like a PSP or Vita, still, DSLite is probably the easiest to recommend due to its massive library, extremely low price, good battery life, and lack of required extras (though I'd recommend a second charging cable and a carrying case that zips up and holds a few games).
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dovahcore: I second this.
But don't forget that the PS Vita is region free too.
I didn't realize the Vita was region free, that's actually pretty cool.

Of course the proprietary and expensive memory card almost completely negates the said coolness, but at least it counts in the Vita's favor.
Post edited February 07, 2013 by orcishgamer
Posted February 07, 2013
the PSP by itself is awesome, even if you don't care about emulation.
Posted February 07, 2013
Either an iphone or a powerful android phone. Both have a nice selection of games for when you're out and about and they're phones to boot!
Posted February 07, 2013
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orcishgamer: From their legal page: "The introduction of emulators created to play illegally copied Nintendo software represents the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers."
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bevinator: The weirdest thing about Nintendo's stance on emulators is that their webpage assumes that you'll only be emulating things you've already pirated. They virtually don't even address the possibility that you're emulating games you legitimately purchased, except to say "well that's probably illegal too, or something!"
My theory is that what they're actually referring to is DS flashcarts and they're just completely misusing the term emulator (I've heard plenty of other people call DS flashcarts emulators so it's not that far fetched).
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orcishgamer: I doubt Nintendo will ever be content until we pay them literally each time we want to play their games, if not for every damned session of play.
I don't see Sony offering downloads of PS1 games that you already own on disc. :P
Post edited February 07, 2013 by SirPrimalform
Posted February 07, 2013
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SirPrimalform: My theory is that what they're actually referring to is DS flashcarts and they're just completely misusing the term emulator (I've heard plenty of other people call DS flashcarts emulators so it's not that far fetched).
Not impossible, but even that is an asinine attitude. If I want my kid to use a flashcart so she doesn't have to lug around 1000 dollar in purchased games... umm, yeah, screw them?



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SirPrimalform: I don't see Sony offering downloads of PS1 games that you already own on disc. :P
Are you seriously talking about them transferring your virtual console titles forward? Wouldn't that be better termed, "letting you download the game on the same 'account' on different hardware, the same game they've managed or tried to sell to you 3-6 times already?"

You're not gonna get me on board with Nintendo's generosity on their old shit, they are most definitely not and consistently had the worst digitally purchased game policies out of ALL the major platforms.
Post edited February 07, 2013 by orcishgamer
Posted February 07, 2013
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SirPrimalform: My theory is that what they're actually referring to is DS flashcarts and they're just completely misusing the term emulator (I've heard plenty of other people call DS flashcarts emulators so it's not that far fetched).
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orcishgamer: Not impossible, but even that is an asinine attitude. If I want my kid to use a flashcart so she doesn't have to lug around 1000 dollar in purchased games... umm, yeah, screw them?
Well exactly. I wasn't defending them, just saying I expect they're being even more stupid than it initially sounds.

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SirPrimalform: I don't see Sony offering downloads of PS1 games that you already own on disc. :P
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orcishgamer: Are you seriously talking about them transferring your virtual console titles forward? Wouldn't that be better termed, "letting you download the game on the same 'account' on different hardware, the same game they've managed or tried to sell to you 3-6 times already?"

You're not gonna get me on board with Nintendo's generosity on their old shit, they are most definitely not and consistently had the worst digitally purchased game policies out of ALL the major platforms.
No, I'm talking about the fact that they don't do the same thing for N64 games on the VC. What are you talking about?
They *do* let you transfer VC games forward from the Wii, just not forward from your cartridges.
Post edited February 07, 2013 by SirPrimalform
Posted February 07, 2013
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SirPrimalform: No, I'm talking about the fact that they don't do the same thing for N64 games on the VC. What are you talking about?
They *do* let you transfer VC games forward from the Wii, just not forward from your cartridges.
I'm not even demanding that they are required to take the initiative to help us with future proofing our old games, but complaining about them, in general, bitching about it when gamers do it themselves. I believed you were countering with the example of them letting Wii purchasers keep using their purchases on WiiU as an example of their general magnanimous nature in this regard, which struck me as ludicrous, apparently I misinterpreted, sorry.
Posted February 07, 2013
The PSP is a nice handheld. It has a lot of meaty console style games. With custom firmare (now trivial to install), games can be easily ripped and run from 32GB memory stick (games are 1.2GB or smaller). The PSP features a nice PSX emulator by Sony (using non-PSN games requires custom firmware and is a little fiddly) and a competent Genesis/Mega Drive emulator in Picodrive. It can be a little uncomfortable to hold stock, but a set of 'monster hunter' style grips makes it pretty nice IMHO. The PSP is not very pocketable with possible exception of the PSPGO.

The PSP is now starting to get competent emulators (this may never happen for the Vita or 3DS). As such, an investment in a PSP library is unlikely to become worthless when PSPs become unobtanium 15years from now. 5 years from now, a common cell phone may be powerful enough to exploit its library of portable core games.

PSP UMD prices are crattering (with the exception of some low print jrpgs). They should be cheap for the next couple years before people start becoming nostalgic.

The PSP has access to cheap PSOne classics on PSN (some originals go for crazy money these days). They are unfortunately encumbered by Sony DRM however.
Posted February 07, 2013
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McDon: No one word answers!
ehem...I mean, please explain your choice, thank you.
OpenPandora.

Isn't it obvious? A more or less proper miniature Linux computer that can play pretty much all the retro games.
Posted February 07, 2013
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SirPrimalform: No, I'm talking about the fact that they don't do the same thing for N64 games on the VC. What are you talking about?
They *do* let you transfer VC games forward from the Wii, just not forward from your cartridges.
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orcishgamer: I'm not even demanding that they are required to take the initiative to help us with future proofing our old games, but complaining about them, in general, bitching about it when gamers do it themselves. I believed you were countering with the example of them letting Wii purchasers keep using their purchases on WiiU as an example of their general magnanimous nature in this regard, which struck me as ludicrous, apparently I misinterpreted, sorry.
Maybe we were both confused. I'm definitely still a bit confused... I should go to bed, it's late here. >.>
Posted February 07, 2013
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Snickersnack: The PSP is a nice handheld. It has a lot of meaty console style games. With custom firmare (now trivial to install), games can be easily ripped and run from 32GB memory stick (games are 1.2GB or smaller). The PSP features a nice PSX emulator by Sony (using non-PSN games requires custom firmware and is a little fiddly) and a competent Genesis/Mega Drive emulator in Picodrive. It can be a little uncomfortable to hold stock, but a set of 'monster hunter' style grips makes it pretty nice IMHO. The PSP is not very pocketable with possible exception of the PSPGO.

The PSP is now starting to get competent emulators (this may never happen for the Vita or 3DS). As such, an investment in a PSP library is unlikely to become worthless when PSPs become unobtanium 15years from now. 5 years from now, a common cell phone may be powerful enough to exploit its library of portable core games.

PSP UMD prices are crattering (with the exception of some low print jrpgs). They should be cheap for the next couple years before people start becoming nostalgic.

The PSP has access to cheap PSOne classics on PSN (some originals go for crazy money these days). They are unfortunately encumbered by Sony DRM however.
The PSP has very few AAA titles, though. Emulation, fine. But legally, it sucks.
Posted February 08, 2013
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Snickersnack: -snip PSP recommendation-
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Archetype00: The PSP has very few AAA titles, though. Emulation, fine. But legally, it sucks.
I'm not sure what AAA means for the handheld market but I found it pretty easy to build a library of ~30 enjoyable games. I do like games in multiple genres though, so your mileage may very.

How does emulation legally suck?
Posted February 08, 2013
I'd go with the PSVita. I know it seems to have been given short shrift by Sony but.... PERSONA 4 THE GOLDEN! Honest to goodness, that's a reason to own the system right there. And the various Ghostlight PSP download titles (Persona 2 Innocent Sin, Persona 3 Portable, Trails in the Sky) are on sale surprisingly often. In fact, the availability and price-point of PSP download titles in general isn't bad at all - possibly the worst thing about the PSVita is the ridiculous proprietery Memory Cards they use (which are even more overpriced than you're probably thinking).
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