Well, the problem is that most AAA titles and lot of Indies are Steam only so GG either has to sell Steam Keys or not sell those games at all, the same problem most digital distributors have. Then again past few years it have felt that they haven't even been trying, well anything really. I don't even remember last time I saw GG in ANY news (last two were the site upgrade few years back and first indie fort I think).

It is typical of Steam all right and I suppose that those games you mention, are Steam-only.

This is not true. Just backing up the installer still means when you go to reinstall it, an internet connection is required, which is unlike gog. If you go through the steps Grargar outlined above and make your own copy of an installable directory, then yes, it's just like gog. But you don't have to go through those steps with gog, you simply download, and install and reinstall at will.

For those wondering what the steps are, you have to click on the GG installer to install the game, then, AFTER clicking to begin the install process but BEFORE actually starting the process, you have to go into the directory of downloaded files, and MAKE A COPY of the right directory (which isn't easy, because they're not named, they're numbered, so you have to know the GG number for that particular game), and then that copy of the directory that you made in the middle of the original install process results in an installable game directory.

Then you can scrap my list :) I think XIII Lost Identity qualifies though: a hidden-object-game that was not too bad. If you enjoy hidden object games and like the XIII comics series, then you should definitely check it out.

Okay, after pulling an almost all nighter, dabbling here on the forums off and on, I've now got all of my GG "DRM Free" games to be actually DRM Free.

And now that I know the "secret" it's not really so bad (although I will add here that on their login screen, which you have to do EVERYTIME, it doesn't recognize the TAB key, so you have to type in your name, go back to the mouse, click password, and type in password. Yeah, I know, small thing to bitch about, not when you do it 100 times though trust me.).

I dunno, I still think they've gone too far in calling these games DRM Free, but...... technically I guess they are, you're just required to go through an extra step (or three). If I had known this when I first bought them, I think my initial anger wouldn't have been so bad, because having to do this for all of my games wasn't fun. But I can't help but think in the back of my mind that technically they're correct, in that they're selling you a DRM Free game, you've just got to go through a few steps to ensure it's DRM Free.

I'll keep an open mind about purchasing there in the future, still may not, but wanted to post this last time to let others know that I think one can make a decent argument that technically the games GG says are DRM Free really do, at it's most basic level, meet the requirement. You buy the game once, you have to be logged in when you initially download it (just like here at gog or anywhere for that matter), and once you've downloaded it, you can, if you know how, install and reinstall it at your hearts content on all of your computers with no further logins, downloads, etc.

BTW, this is why DRM Free is so important to me. I have computers all over this house, and play games on all of them at one point or another. I've got two serious gaming computers, desktop rigs, I've got one serious gaming laptop, and I've got one other laptop and three other PCs (one an old Win95 machine I haven't fired it up in awhile so maybe that doesn't count). But that's why I want DRM Free games. So I can swiftly, and easily, put my game on one of my computers any time, anywhere, I want and play it anytime, anywhere I want.

Sorry, that is exactly what I meant. I just take this installable game directory as an installer. GamersGate is a bit funny there, I have to admit.

Thanks for a recipe.

I consider it borderline cracking. You have to go through certain steps in order to fool GamersGate's DRM system, in order to get rid of their lightweight DRM.

But as long as people know how to do it, and GamersGate doesn't suddenly try to actively prevent people from getting rid of the DRM, I guess it is fine from the end user point of view. You just have to know how to crack their games.

Well said. +1

Since a lot of games have been dubbed "casual", I wil assume you refer to GamersGate's casual filter. In that case, here are some recommendations for games unavailable on GOG:

- Braid
- Crazy Machines
- Crazy Taxi (Also available as part of the Dreamcast Collection, but has Starforce)
- Dragon's Lair
- IREM Arcade Hits
- Mega Drive Classics Collection Volumes 1-5 (Not the Gold edition, it's more expensive)
- Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords
- Sonic the Hedgehog 1+2+3
- Space Channel V - Part 2 (Also available as part of the Dreamcast Collection, but has Starforce)
- Swords and Sorcery Underworld
- The Tale of Alltynex
- World of Goo

That's a nice filter. XD I'm tempted to get Crazy Taxi but "casual" doesn't come to mind when I think of it. I think the ol' boys at GG put that on there just so they could say they technically did have casual games. :P

Ditto for all those other Sega titles.

Anyone ever played AI War?

All Arcade games have been dubbed casual by GamersGate. I don't agree with it, but I also don't really care all that much.

I've used GG before, they're OK IMO

Well said. :D