Normally I try to avoid out-of-the-box topics when posting in forums with a specific theme but I've noticed a few bringing this topic up here and also noticed that dude using the (other) Ogre avatar has gone missing (he's someone to have brought this issue up prior).

I know a few people here are around the age of twenty-three which (from what I've seen and experienced myself) tends to be finally intellectual growth that often times gets screwed up.

There are two commons forms of depression

One involves completely loss of interest in hobbies and a continuous emotional hurt inside as if someone just died on you.

(I went through this and it passes naturally and quicker the less you focus on it)

The second is usually associated with "paranoia" or "Schizophrenia" and involves fear and anxiety concerning reality and bizarre idiosyncrasies the individuals are taking notice of or past associations they are finally adding together.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I was compelled to comment on the later type of depression just suggesting that, as with most things in life, it is always better to accept, confront and learn about that which troubles us as opposed to always attempting to run from or ignore.

I learned in my later years that what I was taking notice of wasn't result of insanity - but the insanity was portraying those idiosyncrasies to me as something more sinister than what they actually were and the only true delusion was that I was a powerless victim.

And yeah, I have a feeling the timing of this thread is going to ironically sync with someone (don't know who) coming on here and reading it a short time later. This is one aspect of the weird shit that I'm talking about that you can ultimately learn how to play to your advantage once you stop running and begin learning.

I don't really get the second form. Could you give exemples ?

Is it about associating disconnected events (or features) into patterns and toying with their potential meanings ? A bit like mystics, surrealists, and conspiration theorists tend to do in their own separate ways ?

I think there is a third (common) one, like especially these days when money is scarce (especially if you have no job) and thus making the future a little grim it can bring someone down.
You still can do you average days things like your hobbies and go on with your average day life but with the feeling of being down alot.

Regardless, depression sucks.

what about being bummed that stuff has been sucking for too long now, does that make me depressed or is it something else?

brave post man

I've recently taken to drinking to stave off depression. Wouldn't recommend it.

You should try sulking instead. The results are terrific.

More or less. Basically there are some 'George Lucas' like sciences taking place around us that have been baffling scientists and philosophers for ages now.

These objective idiosyncrasies are lesser mentioned however and serve as ingenious and "unique" subject matter for films, literature and music because they stand far outside of themes that seem to be farmed in common down-to-earth entertainment.

Because these sciences don't yet have solid explanation they can not be taught in schools in fear of risking mass panic.

But one example I can give:

Anyone working with children can tell you that often times those children know what you're thinking or what you have been up to during your time away from them.

Philosophers and scientists suspect that we are all connected to one another (a science that the church, in turn, uses as a scare tactic) and here in is where concepts like 'Telepathy' are introduced to Star Wars and other such fiction.

Place that child in front of a horror author, however, and he will offer up 'The Exorcist.'

It's all a matter of the individual's perception and ultimately how they choose to vilify or welcome the oddities presented before them.

Those subject to paranoia have spent most of their lives very honest and trusting and have always given strong credence to suggestions that science fiction is 'make believe.' Having never given consideration to the possibility that science fiction may be an over-exaggeration of a fact.

So upon first experiencing those rare instances it comes as more of a shock to them than it would families who enlightened their children to these possibilities from the start.

Following this initial fear many people can accidentally begin mind-hacking themselves.

ie; The Ironic Process Theory

George dreadfully fears his thought will embarrass him in public and begins suppressing all thought and fears most anything that might be highly offensive coming to mind.

This forced suppression results in the sub-conscience forcing back what George fears most and now George is swimming in "intrusive" offensive thoughts which George erroneously blames on an external attack.

(the above 'George idiocy' can also be used as example as to why the ideas have yet to still be made easily available to the public at large)

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And....I can instantly tell that you know what I'm talking about but you're handling the weirdness in a more light-hearted sense recognizing the ironic situation we're in for it's comical value.

And this perception, ultimately, would be of great value if you can ever find a way to share it with those who are having difficulty not accepting or seeing past the oddities for their horror value.

It's always best to take that which we don't yet completely understand in good humor and leave ourselves available to learn more about it rather than running down the street screaming and throwing ourselves from a building.

Okay. I don't agree with much amongst what you say (I don't think that paranoid people are "shocked" by impressions of telepathy clashing with their too rationnal beliefs, I think that assuming telepathy is itself an effect of interpretating events through an "assumption of telepathy " reading grid, that is, having a predisposition for this interpretation - either paranoid fears or simply beliefs in paranormal). But I guess I get what you mean.

I couldn't relate it to depression for two reasons. First because I see depression as, like, being very very very sad about stuff. And the belief/fear of telepathy seemed quite independent from that. But yeah, they could be linked by the fear of persecution (in this case telepathic). I suck at psycho stuff, but indeed, as mentionned in your OP, I'd relate it more to schyzophrenia or paranoia (if anything) than to depression. As "feelings" or "emotions" go.

Secondly because (and this may be quite wrong of me, but, oh well), I don't easily "psychologise" or "medicalise" these things. I mean, I tend to see them as belief systems more than as "mental disorders" or whatever. After all, you have whole cultures and whole societies based on systematic interpretation of disjoined events, and attribution of meaning (and agency) to them. For instance, witchcraft is common sense in whole continents, and even though I don't personally believe in it (it's not part of my own system of representation), I don't consider the whole populations that endorse that worldview to be collectively "deranged", "chemically unbalanced" or "retarded". It's one interpretative grid making sense of our surroundings, and of what I attribute to funny coincidences (an attribution that may be just as arbitrary). Plus, we still all do it at some level, with varying degrees of seriousness depending on the subject (for instance my own "arrgh the wellfare restrictions are part of a plan of privatisation elaborated by an informal corporate lobby trying to turn society into some capitalist neo-feudalism" paranoia also leads me to arbitrarily over-interpretate various events). So, the differences are a matter of degree.

It's a matter of how to deal with these things. It's "depression" in the specific cases where it drags you down. It shouldn't nrecessarily. In the moments where I go "oh shit that person totally read my thoughts", I kinda shrug it off with a "yeah, and so what". They'd probably be used to read even more lame or grotesque thoughts anyway, right ?

Uh, right ?

Firstly, I don't see anything in the op that describes or relates to depression at all.
Secondly...
...sorry Telika, but your impression of depression (random rhyme there! woo!) is also far off the mark.

I'll leave it there as we've seen this topic at least once every few weeks for quite a while now and it's only ever turned into trolling from some, and others being hurt.

Inabit!

Well, I've had a few friends "cracking" into depression (the full incapacitating stuff, they dealt with it through psy support and chemicals, which freaks me out a bit), so I don't mean to treat it too lightly despite the tone. But still, my point was that I tend to relate the "black sun" to emotions of despair and demotivation, which is not a mindset that I quite connect with the "telepathy paranoia" thing.

What we think of as "telepathy" especially in children is a genetic trait that most children have - it's survival tactic that allows children to be very aware of the how the adults around them are feeling - facial, body and vocal cues are magnified and become very important to children as a means to understanding their environment.

Just take how most adults automatically tend to raise their voices and "coo" to infants - it's instinctual behavior in and adult to act this way towards infants so that infants feel safe and loved - and they do. Small children also become very attuned to how adults are acting and speaking - after all their whole lives are dependent on adults giving them food and water and safety. So much of the so-called "telepathy" in children is just hyper-attention.

As to depression, it can occur at any age and it is an illness just as diabetes is an illness tat can strike anyone at any age. Unfortunately, like diabetes, there is not a cure - only amelioration of the symptoms. Fortunately we live in a time where medical science continues to push the boundaries of our understanding and therefore better strategies for living with incurable diseases - and hopefully eventual cures.

Thanks for sharing dude. Depression sucks. I'm impressed by your strength to battle through it and move on.