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tinyE: Meanwhile, in America...
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Schnuff: In an American city this tank would be near invisible.

For the topic...who needs tanks? The last wars were won with air forces.
Even if you could hide the tank, you can't hide his tracks and the satellites can see and recognize them.
With all do respect it does kind of resemble your average European Football jersey. :P Mind you MLS isn't much better and from what I've seen some of the more established clubs like ManU have toned it down a little but there are some serious walking billboards out there.
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Schnuff: For the topic...who needs tanks? The last wars were won with air forces.
Even if you could hide the tank, you can't hide his tracks and the satellites can see and recognize them.
Well, those wars were "won" mostly because of a lack of airforce from the opposite party.
Though the Vietnam and Afganistan wars has showed that an ultramodern airforce is mostly useless and mundane aircraft are just as effective if not even more so, same could be said of hypermodern tanks I guess.
Stealth tanks can have an advantage though, the biggest danger from tanks now comes from attack helicopters which use radar to locate and target tanks for their missiles, the question only is if they will be stealthy enough.
Weapon developements are going so fast now that a lot of the so called revolutionary weapons are already obsolete when they are handed out to the troops, I would invest in research but I wouldn't invest heavily in equiping armies with it.
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Strijkbout: snip
For Vietnam and Afghanistan...both wars had a big problem:
a) the enemy forces couldn't be identified (a non combatant at day is fighting at night)
b) the retreat areas (The USA was bombing Cambodia because of that, but couldn't do anything about China. For Afghanistan it was mostly Pakistan)
c) the environment (jungle and mountains are a good hiding place).
And in both places tanks were also not very useful.

And no, helis maybe a problem for tanks, but what about drones? Much cheaper, no casualties for the own forces and faster.
Forget about the historical battlefields. Large armies, tanks, battleships all of them are slow and easy targets.
A modern tank has a range from under 400km (600km with extra fuel) on streets!. Now this stealth takes a large gulp from the fuel....
Post edited March 31, 2014 by Schnuff
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Zurvan7: Why should a nation be proud of making machines that can kill innocent people and destroy cities and schools, while there is still high poverty and high unemployment rate? The government can surely use the funding from the R&D in much better ways...
I suppose that the argument is that last time the Polish government did not make enough of those "machines that kill innocent people" the results weren't encouraging. You know - 2,5 mln etnic Poles dead, 2,9 mln Polish Jews dead, and 50 years of economic exploitation under the glourious Soviet-style communism...
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JudasIscariot: As I erroneously posted in another thread, I still can't fathom the words "stealth tank" as tanks aren't exactly all that stealthy to begin with :D
You need to play more C&C
Saddam Hussein learned the hard way that tanks are worthless if you do not have air superiority.
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jjsimp:
Better have some chemical weapons (oh dear, I posted that :( )
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Schnuff: And no, helis maybe a problem for tanks, but what about drones? Much cheaper, no casualties for the own forces and faster.
I dunno, drones are still an emerging technology.
Todays drones are still operated by remotecontrol, I wouldn't rule it out if an enemy is capable in jamming those signals, of course they would still be able to fly a preprogrammed flightpath.
I think drones will become really scary if they can act independent via some AI, well we're talking Skynet then. =P
But where is the game?? Usually, there's supposed to be at least one military sim game, often released before a military vehicle goes into mass production, even if the program gets canceled (Comanche).
And if they make a game, it would be appropriate to sell it on GOG, of course. As for campaign ideas, there should be no shortage.
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Schnuff: And no, helis maybe a problem for tanks, but what about drones? Much cheaper, no casualties for the own forces and faster.
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Strijkbout: I dunno, drones are still an emerging technology.
Todays drones are still operated by remotecontrol, I wouldn't rule it out if an enemy is capable in jamming those signals, of course they would still be able to fly a preprogrammed flightpath.
I think drones will become really scary if they can act independent via some AI, well we're talking Skynet then. =P
You know what would be REALLY, REALLY scary? If the not only could fight independently, but if they could coordinate an attack between drones (obviously using encrypted radio messages with a shifting key and a variable usage of frequencies) so they worked as some kind of hive-mind, so whatever one of them "sees" on their radar/IR camera/sonar is information shared with all and strategies could be made to maximize mission objectives.
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Strijkbout: I dunno, drones are still an emerging technology.
Todays drones are still operated by remotecontrol, I wouldn't rule it out if an enemy is capable in jamming those signals, of course they would still be able to fly a preprogrammed flightpath.
I think drones will become really scary if they can act independent via some AI, well we're talking Skynet then. =P
An emerging technology that the USA uses on regular basis for bombing in Afghanistan and Pakistan and now sanctioned
in Yemen.

A few months ago i've seen a report about *possible* (because they are not officially ;) development of them...and they are working on it. The goal is that they can tell apart armed and not armed enemy forces and than act.

For jamming their signal, well today they can fly for around 30+ hours with a radius of 2-3000 km, they are relative small and hard to find if they fly under the radar add that there is a working stealth system for flying objects.....how big is the chance to jam them if you don't want to fry your own systems?
Post edited March 31, 2014 by Schnuff
Did I just spoiled myself the last (next?) robocop ? Is this thing supposed to rebel ?
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Fever_Discordia: Skynet is on its way!
Too late, laddie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellite%29
Post edited March 31, 2014 by Lone3wolf
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Hesusio: What are you, some kind of communist?
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Zurvan7: lol wishing world peace, harmony, more jobs so that east europeans don't have to mass immigrate to western countries to work for less money, wanting more employment and less poverty for the people is called being communist? Sure thing....
I was taking the piss. If anything, I'm inclined to agree with you.
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Schnuff: An emerging technology that the USA uses on regular basis for bombing in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Reconaissancedrones have been used as early as the Vietnam war and these again were developed from target drones which have been used in the early 60's.
What I was trying to say was that drones have far more potential than they're used for, even that stealthtank can theoretically be converted to a drone.
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Schnuff: For jamming their signal, well today they can fly for around 30+ hours with a radius of 2-3000 km, they are relative small and hard to find if they fly under the radar add that there is a working stealth system for flying objects.....how big is the chance to jam them if you don't want to fry your own systems?
Jamming can go a long way, from putting a lot of radiowaves into the air to outright taking out the communication satelite if possible and then there can also be advancement in EMP weapons in the future.
For reconnaisance purposes you generally want to fly at a fairly high altitude, you can't get a good picture when you're close to the ground.
Also I think those drones more or less fly themselves anyway and only get general input by its pilots on the other side of the planet, there will probably be a significant amount of lag from a satelite connection.