Posted June 06, 2014
Emob78
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OneFiercePuppy
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Gersen
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Posted June 06, 2014
MaximumBunny: It'd be cool if there was a cloud to cloud service that didn't cost money for unlimited hosting. Alas. ^^
Well there are plenty of "backup" sites out there with unlimited online storage (e.g. ).<div class="quot quot_text normal_color "><div class="small_avatar_2_h"><img src="/upload/avatars/2008/12/d8d7119fc9fdc380cfcf2113b4ac56b95b175ede_t.jpg" width="16" height="16" alt="avatar" /></div><span class="quot_text"><span class="quot_user_name">StingingVelvet: </span></span>I don't want a long debate here but was [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/18mzcn/i_asked_steam_support_what_happens_to_my_games_if/]this reddit thread known about? Personally between the EULA who says "you can lose all your games anytime" and some random guy who says you won't; I tend to trust the EULA more.
Post edited June 06, 2014 by Gersen
lazydog
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Posted June 06, 2014
Snickersnack: Err... I see a screenshot of a private message with the support tech's name rubbed out. That doesn't lend me much comfort. Is there better evidence available? :/
OneFiercePuppy: Sure. Submit your own question and then you wont have the name smudged out, when they answer. I quit supporting Egosoft on this very point when they went down the steam only route. Their answer:-
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2105&version=0&sid=9f67b058032c72437e8da62dfc4f5d11
Even as a self publisher for this title , they would not guarantee this point. Only more ambiguous claims of if and make every effort.
Yeah right.
StingingVelvet
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Posted June 06, 2014
I agree, however the fact the official support channel is saying it does make it seem like they have an actual plan in place. Which makes me think it might be written into the Steam publisher agreements.
timppu
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Posted June 06, 2014
ChrisSD: And all this ignores the more likely scenario: Steam gets bought. Gabe retires/dies. Evil Overlord takes over. This is much more likely than Steam going out of business and could potentially be worse.
True, and adding to that: PC/Windows gaming becomes a niche, and Valve has simply moved on to greener pastures, e.g. Steambox, or future Android devices. It wouldn't be the first time an online service is brought down after it is considered obsolete and not bringing in any revenue anymore to the company.
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Posted June 06, 2014
Don't want to be the spoilsport here (and I'm an unabashed Steam-basher, so feel free to take my words with a grain of salt), but they said that you still "have access" to your games. Which might not necessarily mean that you'll be able to actually play them.
Also, I can't imagine that all the publishers who joined the Steam brigade would be too happy if their games would suddenly be patched to become (possibly) DRM-free.
Also, I can't imagine that all the publishers who joined the Steam brigade would be too happy if their games would suddenly be patched to become (possibly) DRM-free.
timppu
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timppu Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Jun 2011
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Posted June 06, 2014
lazydog: I quit supporting Egosoft on this very point when they went down the steam only route. Their answer:-
http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2105&version=0&sid=9f67b058032c72437e8da62dfc4f5d11
Even as a self publisher for this title , they would not guarantee this point. Only more ambiguous claims of if and make every effort.
Interesting statement: http://www.egosoft.com/support/faq/faq_answer_en.php?answer=2105&version=0&sid=9f67b058032c72437e8da62dfc4f5d11
Even as a self publisher for this title , they would not guarantee this point. Only more ambiguous claims of if and make every effort.
"...we would make every effort to release NoSteam executables for any of our games...".
Wait, what? Wasn't the original argument that in the impossible event that Steam would ever close down, Valve would simply release one final update to the Steam client, making all Steam games 100% DRM free overnight?
If that was true, why does Egosoft say they would individually patch out the DRM from their games? Didn't Valve tell them yet that wouldn't be necessary, as Valve supposedly has a magical DRM-free kill switch for all thousands of Steam games? :)
Well, anyone with at least half a brain understands it is more complicated than that, and at least most Steam games would have to be patched out individually, and most probably by the original developer (which probably doesn't even exist at that point).
Or, it could simply mean "use the offline mode". Naturally that would still mean that you can't re-install or transfer your Steam games, but just continue playing them on the PC where you have already installed them. As long as the offline mode works, anyway.
Post edited June 06, 2014 by timppu
MaximumBunny
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Posted June 06, 2014
Gersen: Well there are plenty of "backup" sites out there with unlimited online storage (e.g. Crashplan ).
"that didn't cost money for unlimited hosting" <---Key point of my comment. If I wanted to spend money it would never be on a crappy subscription service.Snickersnack
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Posted June 06, 2014
Snickersnack: Err... I see a screenshot of a private message with the support tech's name rubbed out. That doesn't lend me much comfort. Is there better evidence available? :/
OneFiercePuppy: Sure. Submit your own question and then you wont have the name smudged out, when they answer. It's quite a shame too, they have so many fantastic exclusives there. I've become afraid to fall in love with them. :(
OneFiercePuppy
Old and Cranky
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From United States
Posted June 06, 2014
Nobody* is in a position to hold a US-based corporation to anything if they have to go through Chapter 7 bankruptcy. But it's still got to be worth something that they have contingency plans in place. Sure, you can always armchair quarterback a situation where things go exactly wrong. It's probably worthwhile though to accept that we don't know any of the confidential details of the agreements publishers make with Valve, and it's generally unhelpful to go around claiming doomsday is approaching.
*Yes, courts. Stakeholders will be given consideration; customers, generally not.
*Yes, courts. Stakeholders will be given consideration; customers, generally not.