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Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: Yes, Warhammer was created before first Starcraft. But Warhammer40k was shown AFTER release of Starcraft! Warhammer is a fantasy war-game, it has nothing to do with space theme, so your arguments are quite pointless :/.

As are yours since [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Rogue_Trader]40K was announced in 1986[/url]
Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: Yes, Warhammer was created before first Starcraft. But Warhammer40k was shown AFTER release of Starcraft! Warhammer is a fantasy war-game, it has nothing to do with space theme, so your arguments are quite pointless :/.
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Aliasalpha: As are yours since [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Rogue_Trader]40K was announced in 1986[/url]

Original Starcraft was made before '86! Clicky, clicky.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: Original Starcraft was made before '86! Clicky, clicky.

Thing is... Blizzard was founded in 1991, and not even under the name Blizzard.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: [Original Starcraft was made before '86! Clicky, clicky.

If you're being serious, either watch the whole thing or skip to the 3:54 mark.
*SPOILERS*
It's a parody.
*/SPOILERS*
Posted July 29, 2010
To add some party knowledge, here's a shocking secret for all those Starcraft fans and DoW-haters: Starcraft was at first developed under the Warhammer 40K license but at some point GW backed out so Blizz all of a sudden had to come up with their own "ideas". Go figure.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: Original Starcraft was made before '86! Clicky, clicky.

Obvious troll is obviously trolling.
Posted July 29, 2010
... :>
Posted July 29, 2010
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Rondel: [Original Starcraft was made before '86! Clicky, clicky.
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alexisgondor: If you're being serious, either watch the whole thing or skip to the 3:54 mark.
*SPOILERS*
It's a parody.
*/SPOILERS*

Classic.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Vault_Boy: To add some party knowledge, here's a shocking secret for all those Starcraft fans and DoW-haters: Starcraft was at first developed under the Warhammer 40K license but at some point GW backed out so Blizz all of a sudden had to come up with their own "ideas". Go figure.

Aren't you thinking of the first Warcraft? Only I doubt that Blizzard and Games Workshop were in the same failed licensing situation twice.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Vault_Boy: To add some party knowledge, here's a shocking secret for all those Starcraft fans and DoW-haters: Starcraft was at first developed under the Warhammer 40K license but at some point GW backed out so Blizz all of a sudden had to come up with their own "ideas". Go figure.
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Navagon: Aren't you thinking of the first Warcraft? Only I doubt that Blizzard and Games Workshop were in the same failed licensing situation twice.

From my understanding, it is one of those rumor/myth things that constantly get propagated.
The version I have heard (and that makes the most sense), is that Warcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer FB game. Something fell through at some point, Blizzard changed the IP enough, and released it.
Later on, Blizzard took a cue from GW and made a sci-fi version of their War* game, and Starcraft was born. It is up to you how much you consider it to be a ripoff, since Zerg=Tyranid=Bugs (from Starship Troopers) = Whatever, Space Marines = Space Marines = Space Marines = Space Marines (seriously :p), and Protoss = Eldar = Generic Fancy Elf-Douches with More Tech/magic Than Us.
But I don't think anyone who looks at the facts will disagree that Starcraft was inspired by 40k, to some degree.
But the thing to remember is: Pretty much until Relic got involved, most attempts at a Warhammer Strategy game kind of fell short. Don't get me wrong, Final Liberation and the like were fun games, but there is a reason that take on the genre is effectively dead in favor of the RTS. And Space Hulk was awesome, but a different genre :p
So while it is quite probable that Blizzard 'jacked GW, they have earned their IP and following.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Navagon: Aren't you thinking of the first Warcraft?

Yes, I was but got it messed up with replying in a SC/W40K topic obviously. Warcraft was to be Warhammer once, and SC, although an original work from Blizz, is a very heavy nod towards Warhammer 40K.
@Gundato:
Now you are doing the great Space Crusade (developed by Gremlin if I remember correctly) injustice :-).
Post edited July 29, 2010 by Vault_Boy
Posted July 29, 2010
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Vault_Boy: @Gundato:
Now you are doing the great Space Crusade (developed by Gremlin if I remember correctly) injustice :-).

Ah, memories of playing Space Crusade on my Commodore 64. Does anyone else remember fondly having to write down something like a 20-digit code to 'save' your game and pick up where you left off?
Posted July 29, 2010
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Vault_Boy: Now you are doing the great Space Crusade (developed by Gremlin if I remember correctly) injustice :-).
Well to be fair that was just a straight recreation of the board game, they've never tried anything like that with the primary games
Posted July 29, 2010
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Aliasalpha: Well to be fair that was just a straight recreation of the board game, they've never tried anything like that with the primary games

I've probably said this before but I would love a computerized version of their table top games.
Posted July 29, 2010
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Gundato: From my understanding, it is one of those rumor/myth things that constantly get propagated.
The version I have heard (and that makes the most sense), is that Warcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer FB game. Something fell through at some point, Blizzard changed the IP enough, and released it.
Later on, Blizzard took a cue from GW and made a sci-fi version of their War* game, and Starcraft was born. It is up to you how much you consider it to be a ripoff, since Zerg=Tyranid=Bugs (from Starship Troopers) = Whatever, Space Marines = Space Marines = Space Marines = Space Marines (seriously :p), and Protoss = Eldar = Generic Fancy Elf-Douches with More Tech/magic Than Us.
But I don't think anyone who looks at the facts will disagree that Starcraft was inspired by 40k, to some degree.
But the thing to remember is: Pretty much until Relic got involved, most attempts at a Warhammer Strategy game kind of fell short. Don't get me wrong, Final Liberation and the like were fun games, but there is a reason that take on the genre is effectively dead in favor of the RTS. And Space Hulk was awesome, but a different genre :p
So while it is quite probable that Blizzard 'jacked GW, they have earned their IP and following.

That is pretty much exactly my understanding of the situation. I'll only add that the rumour may have shifted towards Starcraft because Warcraft gained its own identity as it moved away from strategy. A transition beginning with Warcraft 3 and completed with WoW. That leaves Starcraft being the only Blizzard IP that is left with very strong GW overtones. Which probably explains why.
It does make you wonder what would have happened had the Blizzard and Games Workshop deal worked out though. On one hand Games Workshop may have made a more successful transition to computer gaming sooner. On the other hand, we almost certainly would not have had WoW. No great loss for me, but it would have left Blizzard a much smaller and more humble company than the one they are today.
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Vault_Boy: SC, although an original work from Blizz, is a very heavy nod towards Warhammer 40K.

One that is especially clear after Warcraft.
Post edited July 29, 2010 by Navagon
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