Posted June 15, 2014

Emob78
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WhiteElk
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Registered: Apr 2011
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Posted June 15, 2014
u.s. policy as relates to the execution of empire, has had the affect of radicalizing resistance, ratcheting up extremism. The prosecution of this neo-war using airborne assassins against stateless enemies, has been recruitment boon. And more. It should be no surprise that open war comes here again. The u.s. is patently doing all the wrong things and for wrong reasoning. And then, then there are the death dealers whose ambitions are served by war. As if enemies are being prepared for our sons and daughters to fight. War like this becomes a shackle.

grimwerk
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Elmofongo
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Posted June 15, 2014


Perhaps I phrased my answer wrong. What I meant was the stability that was created by western governments in order to facilitate a period of no bid contracts and manipulated peace via the American and British controlled Iraqi puppet government. Stability is certainly a subjective term, no more so in regards to mid-east policy. One man's stability is another man's anarchy.

After a couple of years I've succeeded. The White House isn't anymore. It's the Red House now. Some random communist is ruling the land now. Everyone is equal, no poor, no rich. The only thing the USA had to sacrifice, was Freedom of Speech and other things that could endanger my system. That's sad, but necessary to make everyone happy - my happy, not your former, false happy. However... Since I've succeeded and the USA is now a happy land of comrades, I call my superior military troops back home.
Now... What do you think will happen? Won't Americans take back their country from that ridiculous communist that someone else put in the White House?
Yes, Saddam was a bitch. I don't think it was the USA's business to remove him, but that's another story. But what happened afterwards... You can't force a country to become democratic and to elect the right people. It's desirable that they do so, but you can't force them. But that's exactly what happened there. They (US and allies) fought a war against everything that was wrong in the eyes of the western countries. But Iraq isn't a western country. It was to expect that things go haywire as soon as the military forces leave.
Not that Saddam Hussien was a saint, its just that he was the lesser of 2 evils?
Post edited June 15, 2014 by Elmofongo

Strijkbout
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Posted June 15, 2014
My theory would be that it was never the objective to get Iraqi oil, as they would never get away with that, it was to destabilize the region so middle easten oilprices would rise so that drilling America's own oilreserves would be profitable.

Elmofongo
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Tychoxi
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Posted June 15, 2014
That's completely right! Sorry, for my blunder. Keeping in mind which countries where created by world powers after which war can be a burden at times!
Post edited June 15, 2014 by Tychoxi

djranis
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Posted June 15, 2014
lol to raise oil prices they will sleep with terrorist

Strijkbout
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Elmofongo
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Posted June 15, 2014



babark
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Registered: Dec 2010
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Posted June 15, 2014
The US wasn't fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq at all. Despite everything Bush tried to do to connect them to Iraq, Al Qaeda had basically zero presence there.
Now their affiliates are going around taking over cities. Progress, I suppose? :(
Now their affiliates are going around taking over cities. Progress, I suppose? :(

jeffreydean1
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Registered: Dec 2010
From Canada
Posted June 15, 2014

Not that Saddam Hussien was a saint, its just that he was the lesser of 2 evils?
The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with going after Al Quada. How people still think this after so long is just mind-numbing. I
This. It's terrifying how few people think that Saddam = Al Qaeda. Of course you can blame the Bush administration's obfuscation, but there comes a point where the people themselves are responsible for their own actions and ignorance. 2 seconds on Google could clear that misconception up, but nobody bothers anymore when they're fed talking points and lies.
Post edited June 15, 2014 by jeffreydean1

Elmofongo
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Posted June 15, 2014

Not that Saddam Hussien was a saint, its just that he was the lesser of 2 evils?

The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with going after Al Quada. How people still think this after so long is just mind-numbing. I

Now their affiliates are going around taking over cities. Progress, I suppose? :(


pimpmonkey2382.313
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Registered: Jan 2011
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Posted June 15, 2014

The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with going after Al Quada. How people still think this after so long is just mind-numbing. I
This. It's terrifying how few people think that Saddam = Al Qaeda. Of course you can blame the Bush administration's obfuscation, but there comes a point where the people themselves are responsible for their own actions and ignorance. 2 seconds on Google could clear that misconception up, but nobody bothers anymore when they're fed talking points and lies.


Emob78
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Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted June 16, 2014

Perhaps I phrased my answer wrong. What I meant was the stability that was created by western governments in order to facilitate a period of no bid contracts and manipulated peace via the American and British controlled Iraqi puppet government. Stability is certainly a subjective term, no more so in regards to mid-east policy. One man's stability is another man's anarchy.


After a couple of years I've succeeded. The White House isn't anymore. It's the Red House now. Some random communist is ruling the land now. Everyone is equal, no poor, no rich. The only thing the USA had to sacrifice, was Freedom of Speech and other things that could endanger my system. That's sad, but necessary to make everyone happy - my happy, not your former, false happy. However... Since I've succeeded and the USA is now a happy land of comrades, I call my superior military troops back home.
Now... What do you think will happen? Won't Americans take back their country from that ridiculous communist that someone else put in the White House?
Yes, Saddam was a bitch. I don't think it was the USA's business to remove him, but that's another story. But what happened afterwards... You can't force a country to become democratic and to elect the right people. It's desirable that they do so, but you can't force them. But that's exactly what happened there. They (US and allies) fought a war against everything that was wrong in the eyes of the western countries. But Iraq isn't a western country. It was to expect that things go haywire as soon as the military forces leave.

Not that Saddam Hussien was a saint, its just that he was the lesser of 2 evils?
But don't forget, while the mid east conflict helped stabilize oil, its overall effect on supply is actually marginal. We don't get as much oil from the middle east as we used to. We actually get quite a lot of it from central and south America, plus lots of areas in the Gulf of Mexico. What the west really benefited from was the war-industry. All those supply convoys had to have truck drivers. All those ambassadors had to have body guards. All those air conditioners at the bases needed repairmen. War is big business. People don't understand how much money can be made in war. A friend of mine was tempted by a job offer to drive trucks for one of the big oil companies as part of a contract. He told me they were offering some drivers close to 60 grand a MONTH to drive for them. The reason why the price went so high? Because supply convoys were being attacked on an almost daily basis. The danger had gotten to the level that no one wanted to drive those trucks any more, so the asking price went up and up. How much would it take for you to get shot at? Apparently, for some people it was 60 thousand dollars a month.That's insane money, but so is being shot at while trying to do your job.