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Foxhack: Who do you think I was talking about?

I REFUSE to support them. As long as they charge money for the needed files to run these games WE WILL NEVER HAVE LEGALLY DOWNLOADABLE AMIGA GAMES FOR SALE ANYWHERE ELSE, because while sites could include the emulator and the game, they'd still have to pay a licensing fee for the stupid rom files, which would increase the price.

At least with GOG, there's DOSBox.
So what you are actually saying is that you won't support Cloanto for having the audacity to properly license the kickstart ROM from Commodore? Clear as mud and also a little silly. And it looks like Manomio is selling the first individually bundled Amiga game (Defender of the Crown) for iOS priced at $2.99 ( http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/defender-of-the-crown/id447552008?mt=8 .) So much for your theory that WE WILL NEVER HAVE LEGALLY DOWNLOADABLE AMIGA GAMES FOR SALE ANYWHERE ELSE.
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Foxhack: Who do you think I was talking about?

I REFUSE to support them. As long as they charge money for the needed files to run these games WE WILL NEVER HAVE LEGALLY DOWNLOADABLE AMIGA GAMES FOR SALE ANYWHERE ELSE, because while sites could include the emulator and the game, they'd still have to pay a licensing fee for the stupid rom files, which would increase the price.

At least with GOG, there's DOSBox.
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Darling_Jimmy: So what you are actually saying is that you won't support Cloanto for having the audacity to properly license the kickstart ROM from Commodore? Clear as mud and also a little silly. And it looks like Manomio is selling the first individually bundled Amiga game (Defender of the Crown) for iOS priced at $2.99 ( http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/defender-of-the-crown/id447552008?mt=8 .) So much for your theory that WE WILL NEVER HAVE LEGALLY DOWNLOADABLE AMIGA GAMES FOR SALE ANYWHERE ELSE.
Defender of the Crown was made available on many platforms, including a slightly updated version on the pre-Impulse version of the Stardock store, called TotalGaming.net. The lack of Amiga ROMs may be preventing you from playing a lot of old games, but not that one.

I suspect the iOS one is the updated version, btw, not the original C64 version (yes, it was a C64 game).
Post edited March 29, 2012 by orcishgamer
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Crosmando: Amiga is a console.
We don't take kindly to that kind of talk 'round here -_-
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Crosmando: Amiga is a console.
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Poulscath: We don't take kindly to that kind of talk 'round here -_-
Crossmando already got both barrels. Unless he insists on being wrong some more he's probably learned his lesson and doesn't need further "correction".
You can legally get the Cinemaware games free for the Amiga in adf format, stuff like Wings, DoTC, Rocket Ranger & It Came from the Desert and Antheads to name a few. I have just looked on their site and they are pushing iOS games (I know, meh) and all sections are saying available soon. However when it is fully live again all the old Amiga games are in the Archive, I got the above games from their site free a while ago now. I know its not the entire back catalogue but its a decent start as they are cool games.
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orcishgamer: Defender of the Crown was made available on many platforms, including a slightly updated version on the pre-Impulse version of the Stardock store, called TotalGaming.net. The lack of Amiga ROMs may be preventing you from playing a lot of old games, but not that one.
To be clear; that is the Amiga ROM bundled in an Amiga emulator (and the kick ROM is in there too.)

Edit: to be even clearier; 2 DotC ROMs and 3 variations of the kick ROM.
Post edited March 29, 2012 by Darling_Jimmy
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orcishgamer: Crossmando already got both barrels. Unless he insists on being wrong some more he's probably learned his lesson and doesn't need further "correction".
Sorry, it's a spinal reflex from my days of defending the miggy from the sneering hordes :)
Bastards... I went ahead and bought AF Plus, which I had bookmarked for months. Now I don't care if GOG picks up Amiga.

So, these AF guys give you 10 downloads for 2 weeks and it's bugger off after that? It's not like I need anything more that the ROMs (or you know, just the license to use them), but still.
A few years ago whoever owned Amiga at the time HAD a shop where you cuold buy executable PC-versions of Amiga games. It never really got off the ground, and they didn't offer many games, but it worked just fine in my experience.

The games were obviously emulated, but all that happened without the user having to worry about it. Kind of like most DosBox-releases here on GOG. You just clicked the game icon and the game started.

There's nothing that would prevent GOG from offering the same kind of packages. Nothing except some commercial licenses, of course. I doubt those would be impossible to get, it's not like the companies currently involved in the Amiga don't like money.

I hope this is something GOG would consider looking at in the future, just like I hope they would consider C64-stuff and Sega-stuff. Both should be just as possible, we already see C64-games on Wii (Europe) and Sega-games on Steam. I do perhaps worry that the chances of this happening are lower now that GOG are "newer". Back when GOG was about old games I saw support for other platforms as a natural extention of their business. But as they've gone in another direction maybe they're not as interested.
Post edited March 29, 2012 by Zeewolf
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Zeewolf: A few years ago whoever owned Amiga at the time HAD a shop where you cuold buy executable PC-versions of Amiga games. It never really got off the ground, and they didn't offer many games, but it worked just fine in my experience.

The games were obviously emulated, but all that happened without the user having to worry about it. Kind of like most DosBox-releases here on GOG. You just clicked the game icon and the game started.

There's nothing that would prevent GOG from offering the same kind of packages. Nothing except some commercial licenses, of course. I doubt those would be impossible to get, it's not like the companies currently involved in the Amiga don't like money.

I hope this is something GOG would consider looking at in the future, just like I hope they would consider C64-stuff and Sega-stuff. Both should be just as possible, we already see C64-games on Wii (Europe) and Sega-games on Steam. I do perhaps worry that the chances of this happening are lower now that GOG are "newer". Back when GOG was about old games I saw support for other platforms as a natural extention of their business. But as they've gone in another direction maybe they're not as interested.
Doing that would be amazing, do packs of games though for a set price, maybe 10 games in a bundle given their age. Shoot em up set, adventure set and so forth. Would imagine that people would buy them. It also helps the whole needing a kickstart file which is still owned by the copyright holders so you cant get one unless you pull it off your own system.
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Darling_Jimmy: That could be very difficult. When I realized Amiga Forever contains cracked ROMs, I tracked down and asked some of the developers about it to make sure I hadn't bought an infringing bundle. They all told me the cracked ROMs are the only versions still available.
Many times the unmodified originals possibly wouldn't even work with WinUAE, while the unofficial one does. I don't recall the name of certain Amiga space combat simulator, I think they even made a special version of it so that it would finally run on WinUAE, because the original code was too finicky to run on it.

EDIT: I think it was Warhead:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/warhead
Post edited March 29, 2012 by timppu
Thank you for the site
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Aaron86: Perihelion is available for free from one of its original developers (the artist, specifically).

I've been meaning to try this one out.
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orcishgamer: Crossmando already got both barrels. Unless he insists on being wrong some more he's probably learned his lesson and doesn't need further "correction".
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Poulscath: Sorry, it's a spinal reflex from my days of defending the miggy from the sneering hordes :)
No, I must apologize, and I must confess my ignorance in the matter, as I only had a vague idea of what the Amiga personal computer was till now, I guess I'm too young to have used one, or too used to Windows-PC gaming.
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Poulscath: Sorry, it's a spinal reflex from my days of defending the miggy from the sneering hordes :)
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Crosmando: No, I must apologize, and I must confess my ignorance in the matter, as I only had a vague idea of what the Amiga personal computer was till now, I guess I'm too young to have used one, or too used to Windows-PC gaming.
The Amiga did have a console type version, it was the CD32, one of the first optical drive based systems available when the Megadrive (Genesis) and SNES (Super Famicon) were hitting the market hard.

The Amiga 500 (With the HUGE half Meg expansion you put in the underside of it!) was quite misleading. The main kickstart screen with the hand and disc did give it the look of a console onscreen, it was literally a minimal boot that was ready to launch a game, program or the workbench. The workbench looked kind of similar to Windows 3.1 with icons and everything in separate windows. Some games had to actually be launched from the workbench, so after booting the workbench disc you then put the game disc in and it would show an icon to launch it in the window for the disc drive.

When you look at an Amiga you will see it has full keyboard and 2 button mouse with 15 pin D-Sub monitor support connector on the back. If you wanted to run it through a TV you had to connect a rather large white block to the D Sub and a lead from the 2 sound ports that merged into one jack and into the side of the white block so you got sound and picture out of a standard antenna socket that TV's have for an aerial input.

The Atari ST was very similar in looks and power as the Amiga. Main difference was when you booted the ST it actually loaded the Atari equivalent of the Amiga Workbench immediately. Then you launched all games from that screen by double clicking the icon. The pointer on the Amiga turned into a sleep bubble when it was working with 2 little zz's in it, the ST the pointer turned into a bee when it was working on something!
Post edited March 29, 2012 by iainmet
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Crosmando: No, I must apologize, and I must confess my ignorance in the matter, as I only had a vague idea of what the Amiga personal computer was till now, I guess I'm too young to have used one, or too used to Windows-PC gaming.
Don't worry about it, I just have bad memories of how incredibly badly the Amiga was mismanaged and misperceived. Everyone dissed it as a games machine even though it was way ahead of its time with capabilities that still aren't available in modern systems.