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amok: and why is it only now you are bringing this up as this have happened many times before?
You bring that up multiple times. Why? Isn't it obvious?

This was the first time I knew of it happening.
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amok: ohh, I like this thread now. there are many good jokes in this thread. However, your issue is non-existing.
You missed my point, so you called it a strawman. Then you attempt to diminish my points by calling them jokes?

Nice.
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gameon: I have to disagree. I'm sure many people of the black community would be offended by that word no matter what context.
I meant it was hard for me to find it offensive. And I did mention just after it that I don't use that word precisely because I know many people would find it offensive and I don't want to offend them.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by xyem
I'm fine with changing titles that are actually offensive. For example there was one thread titled "Fuck EA" or something similar. That one got changed to "Fsck EA" and that's fine. I personally don't think it was necessary, but I can understand why it got changed because that one is actually offensive.

But an everyday phrase such as "kicks ass"? That's not even swearing. Sure, it has the word ass in it, but you have to look at the context as well. In this case there was absolutely nothing offending about the title and it should not have been changed. But I realize that this was done by a new staff member who's still getting used to the position, so I'll cut him some slack and hope that it won't be a recurring thing. Stick to changing the titles that are actually offensive (if you insist on changing anything at all that is) and leave the non-offensive ones alone is my opinion.
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JMich: So instead of asking GOG.com to judge Judas' actions, you are asking gog's community to judge them, but your issue is not with Judas at all. Isn't this hypocrisy? As long as you continue to claim that the overzealous title moderation is censorship, I'll continue to claim that this is hypocrisy. You may not think it is, but neither does TET believe that moderation is censorship, nor do I (and a few more goggers it seems).
I wasn't claiming it wasn't hypocrisy, I just didn't understand why you thought it was. I understand now.. and yes, I don't think it is hypocrisy :P

I'm not asking the community judge Judas' actions, I'm asking for them to encourage GOG to not continue with that sort of censorship. This is why the title of this thread is about GOG censorship, and Judas was not mentioned (i.e. "Make Judas change the title back!"). It makes no difference to me who at GOG did it.. just that it happened and GOG have neither reversed it, or said that it won't happen again.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by xyem
"Let's kick gluteus maximus and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of semen." just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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ne_zavarj: I'm sorry , but i had to downvote this thread .
May I know why?
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amok: and why is it only now you are bringing this up as this have happened many times before?
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xyem: You bring that up multiple times. Why? Isn't it obvious?

This was the first time I knew of it happening.
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amok: ohh, I like this thread now. there are many good jokes in this thread. However, your issue is non-existing.
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xyem: You missed my point, so you called it a strawman. Then you attempt to diminish my points by calling them jokes?

Nice.
You like taking things out of context much? I did not miss your at all, you missed mine...

Strawman quote:

"xyem: A whole lot of people think DRM isn't an issue. Or that women are second-class citizens isn't an issue. Just because you don't think it is an issue, doesn't make it a non-issue.
Amok: sigh... strawman? neither of these issues have any relation with this at all. Those are valid issues, this is a made-up non-issue, gog did not censor, they moderated a bit only. "

in which you are diminishing actual important issues and making them equal to this non-issue, you have not convinced me any way what-so-ever that this is an issue worth fighting over.

"xyem: So? Close the topic if you don't like it, which I believe was, oh yes...your logic.
My logic, on the other hand, is you should come here and tell me what you think, what your views on the subject are so we can both learn each others point of view and, hopefully, come to a amicable resolution.

Amok: ohh, I like this thread now. there are many good jokes in this thread. However, your issue is non-existing. "

which is basically where you told me to agree or GTFO. I told you what I think about your topic, and the reasons why I do so. You might not like my reasons, but they are mine and so far you have not managed to convince me to your point of view at all.

To summarise:

This is an non-issue, there is only been some moderation not any censorship.
This is standard practice by gog. It has happened many times before.
This has noting to do with Windows, DRM, gender problems etc.
gog forum is a privately owned forum and they can do as they like.
gog is a business and they must maintain company image, if you want a nice community you need to maintain it, it very rarely happen by chance.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by amok
Marcin just said kick-ass during your conference. Quick, change it to gluteus maximus. :-p
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Vitek: Marcin just said kick-ass during your conference. Quick, change it to gluteus maximus. :-p
Haha, was just thinking the same thing.
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Vitek: Marcin just said kick-ass during your conference. Quick, change it to gluteus maximus. :-p
+1 :)
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amok: in which you are diminishing actual important issues and making them equal to this non-issue, you have not convinced me any way what-so-ever that this is an issue worth fighting over.
And you still miss my point. Those issues are important because lots of people agree they are important. If most people thought it was fine and you didn't, would you like to be dismissed with a "It's a non-issue"?

You saying "it's a non-issue" is downplaying the importance of an issue (in the most dismissive way possible). Me pointing out that people had exactly the same reaction to those issue is not me downplaying the importance of them!

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amok: which is basically where you told me to agree or GTFO. I told you what I think about your topic, and the reasons why I do so. You might not like my reasons, but they are mine and so far you have not managed to convince me to your point of view at all.
Wait.. you are saying I told you to agree or GTFO, even when I clearly stated that I would be saying that if we were applying your logic and then right after I said my logic was for you to stay and debate with me?

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amok: This is an non-issue, there is only been some moderation not any censorship.
Those two words you're using? They can mean the same thing.
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amok: This has noting to do with Windows, DRM, gender problems etc.
Didn't say it did.

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amok: gog forum is a privately owned forum and they can do as they like.
Yes, and there are consequences to that.. like people saying they don't like it (wonder what's going on here...). Just like I can, technically, do whatever I like and have to deal with the consequences of that (be it offending someone, landing in jail or dying).

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amok: gog is a business and they must maintain company image, if you want a nice community you need to maintain it, it very rarely happen by chance.
And how have they maintained this really good community so far? Oh yeah, by pretty much leaving it alone.
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Vitek: Marcin just said kick-ass during your conference. Quick, change it to gluteus maximus. :-p
LMAO >.<
Post edited May 30, 2012 by xyem
...and again! :-)
Post edited May 30, 2012 by tburger
Just out of curiosity, why are people saying I'm "on a crusade"?

Does one topic and one wishlist item really fulfil the criteria for a crusade?

I would have thought spamming the forum, mocking the change a load more than I have, closing down my giveaway, leaving the forum, posting about it to other sites and such would be more of a crusade...
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xyem: Just out of curiosity, why are people saying I'm "on a crusade"?

Does one topic and one wishlist item really fulfil the criteria for a crusade?

I would have thought spamming the forum, mocking the change a load more than I have, closing down my giveaway, leaving the forum, posting about it to other sites and such would be more of a crusade...
you can't please all people, just do what you think is right. Never mind about the others.
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amok: in which you are diminishing actual important issues and making them equal to this non-issue, you have not convinced me any way what-so-ever that this is an issue worth fighting over.
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xyem: And you still miss my point. Those issues are important because lots of people agree they are important. If most people thought it was fine and you didn't, would you like to be dismissed with a "It's a non-issue"?

You saying "it's a non-issue" is downplaying the importance of an issue (in the most dismissive way possible). Me pointing out that people had exactly the same reaction to those issue is not me downplaying the importance of them!
It is a non-issue. I think you will find that the majority will agree with you that moderating the "ass" was going a bit to far, it will still need moderation for more serious stuff. You want to remove this also, and I think most people here will agree that you can not do so.

Also I do not agree that this is censorship, the original post still stand and the title has the same meaning. This is a case of normal moderation, not censorship, therefore a non-issue. Very few will really care, except a chance to do some more jokes, which is the feeling I am left with after reading this thread.

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amok: which is basically where you told me to agree or GTFO. I told you what I think about your topic, and the reasons why I do so. You might not like my reasons, but they are mine and so far you have not managed to convince me to your point of view at all.
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xyem: Wait.. you are saying I told you to agree or GTFO, even when I clearly stated that I would be saying that if we were applying your logic and then right after I said my logic was for you to stay and debate with me?
from all my post there, what you did was rip two things out of context and ignore everything else. Not much to debate with then.

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amok: This is an non-issue, there is only been some moderation not any censorship.
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xyem: Those two words you're using? They can mean the same thing.
they can, but they are also two different things. Moderation =/= censorship, it depends how it is done.

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amok: This has noting to do with Windows, DRM, gender problems etc.
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xyem: Didn't say it did.
then why did you bring them up?

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amok: gog is a business and they must maintain company image, if you want a nice community you need to maintain it, it very rarely happen by chance.
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xyem: And how have they maintained this really good community so far? Oh yeah, by pretty much leaving it alone.
which they have not done in the past. This is only the one you know about, it has happened many times before.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by amok
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xyem: You saying "it's a non-issue" is downplaying the importance of an issue (in the most dismissive way possible). Me pointing out that people had exactly the same reaction to those issue is not me downplaying the importance of them!
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amok: It is a non-issue.
Seriously?
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gameon: I've seen 2 different users contemplate that in the last week. I hope you dont think about leaving too.
I'm not. The community is still awesome and GOG still kicks ass!

It just might not be as much as I thought it did.. :)
Post edited May 30, 2012 by xyem