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hedwards: That's why they should be providing service. Leisure Suit Larry sold more hint books than copies. And unless somebody would have bought the thing it makes no difference.

I pirate a lot of things now because I can't obtain them legally. Doesn't make any difference to the companies bottom line.

Now in the "real world" which you apparently live, is there something magical that causes this to hurt companies?
Typical pirate propaganda.

If I pirate the Witcher 2 tomorrow it hurts somebody. You can contort that as much as you like it's a fact.
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Thunderstone: I know plenty of people who are not tech savvy, in fact I had one friend who didn't change the default password on her router until I warned her. If these companies are going through with this, then they have the responsibility to inform their customers about the importance of network security and how to secure their own networks. The cyber world is not a physical one, people can not visually see the flaw of their own security.
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Egotomb: I think they should implement this in one of the "alerts"
They should be doing this before they implement this nonsense, especially if the accused have to pay to dispute the accusation
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Thunderstone
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Thunderstone: I know plenty of people who are not tech savvy, in fact I had one friend who didn't change the default password on her router until I warned her. If these companies are going through with this, then they have the responsibility to inform their customers about the importance of network security and how to secure their own networks. The cyber world is not a physical one, people can not visually see the flaw of their own security.

Sure people know to lock the doors of their houses, but their are many who don't think to do the same to their router. Fewer consider the default password on their routers. Not everyone is tech savvy, nor have the interest to learn. Which is why they need to be educated on the basics at the very least and have it hammered in if they are going to be held responsible for what goes on on their wireless network. They also have the responsibility to warn their customers about this scheme. My parents have TWC and they didn't know about this until I told them.

This is one of many reasons why I am disgusted by this scheme.
can't trust people with their own real world security either. I know half my neighbors didn't have alarms and about half of those don't often lock their doors....... we've had a few robberies by others who apparently found that out and they still don't.

But I think they all have a password on their wifi.... we didn't though until I got back from college and put one on
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Cormoran: Time to heat up some popcorn and watch these ISPs start losing customers in droves.
Only if the people have the choice of more than one ISP in their area. Lots of the country only has one or two choices at best and those, most likely, are the big names that are on board with this nonsense.

Sure, you could probably get satellite access, but that comes with a host of problems and is pretty much useless if you do any form of online gaming that requires low ping times.
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Cormoran: Time to heat up some popcorn and watch these ISPs start losing customers in droves.
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Fomalhaut30: Only if the people have the choice of more than one ISP in their area. Lots of the country only has one or two choices at best and those, most likely, are the big names that are on board with this nonsense.

Sure, you could probably get satellite access, but that comes with a host of problems and is pretty much useless if you do any form of online gaming that requires low ping times.
Yeah... Cox and Shentel both offer cable internet nearby, but the only way to get non-dialup internet to my house is from either Verizon or from Comcast. I'd better hurry up and pirate everything now while I still can!
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Cormoran: Time to heat up some popcorn and watch these ISPs start losing customers in droves.
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Fomalhaut30: Only if the people have the choice of more than one ISP in their area. Lots of the country only has one or two choices at best and those, most likely, are the big names that are on board with this nonsense.

Sure, you could probably get satellite access, but that comes with a host of problems and is pretty much useless if you do any form of online gaming that requires low ping times.
Yeah there's that too I guess. If they're anything like the "big" ISPs here that sort of monopoly in more rural area's is how they somehow stay in business despite their astronomically high prices.
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Fomalhaut30: Only if the people have the choice of more than one ISP in their area. Lots of the country only has one or two choices at best and those, most likely, are the big names that are on board with this nonsense.

Sure, you could probably get satellite access, but that comes with a host of problems and is pretty much useless if you do any form of online gaming that requires low ping times.
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Cormoran: Yeah there's that too I guess. If they're anything like the "big" ISPs here that sort of monopoly in more rural area's is how they somehow stay in business despite their astronomically high prices.
Uh, you might be misinterpreting. The big cities and metro areas tend to have very few operators. This is due, in large part, to government granted monopolies/duopolies/contracts/etc in those areas. There isn't really any form of true competition in terms of ISPs here. And when communities want to lay down fiber or other high speed access, the incumbents tend to sue them to stop said roll outs.
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Fomalhaut30: Uh, you might be misinterpreting. The big cities and metro areas tend to have very few operators. This is due, in large part, to government granted monopolies/duopolies/contracts/etc in those areas. There isn't really any form of true competition in terms of ISPs here. And when communities want to lay down fiber or other high speed access, the incumbents tend to sue them to stop said roll outs.
Ahh okay, that must really suck! Here I have a choice of atleast ten ISPs. If the big ones we're to attempt this here, people would simply switch ISPs.
I don't care. I don't pirate, so whatever.

I suppose there will be a lot of whining about how people can be mistakenly accused 6 times, and the terrible injustice that they would face because their b/w will be temporarily reduced... yeah... OK... you're really suffering there, pal.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by stoicsentry
I can't believe some ISPs still give out those wireless router/modem combos that are not secured.
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Thunderstone: 'snip
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pseudonarne: can't trust people with their own real world security either. I know half my neighbors didn't have alarms and about half of those don't often lock their doors....... we've had a few robberies by others who apparently found that out and they still don't.

But I think they all have a password on their wifi.... we didn't though until I got back from college and put one on
On the other hand, if you have your house broken into you probably will become aware of it.

If you have your network broken into because you either didn't set the password or used the default one (which isn't hard to find if you know what router is used) you won't know about it until you get the copyright warning or in the worst case scenario you are accused of viewing child porn.
See this site here: http://www.routerpasswords.com/

People who don't lock their doors are taking their chances and they know the risks. The cyberworld on the other hand is more mysterious, so they should be educated so they can't say I didn't know. Now their is a problem with people not using secure passwords, but at least it is not the default one and should discourage the lazy "hacker."
Post edited January 12, 2013 by Thunderstone
How does this apply to file hosting sites?
Oh yeah baby! Finally some use for this virus that downloads modern hit albums without the computer owner knowing. This is going to be hilarious!
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Egotomb: If I pirate the Witcher 2 tomorrow it hurts somebody. You can contort that as much as you like it's a fact.
I'm not quite sure you understand the basic definition of a fact.

So, let's say you have no intention of ever paying for Witcher 2, under any circumstance whatsoever. You decide one day to pirate it through a torrent client. Has a sale been lost? Has a copy of the game been physically stolen from a store which paid for that copy? Who has been hurt, financially or otherwise? Edit: Note that you didn't even use the company's bandwidth for this act of piracy, which even if you had, would have probably only cost the company a few pennies.
Post edited January 12, 2013 by Qwertyman
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Adzeth: Oh yeah baby! Finally some use for this virus that downloads modern hit albums without the computer owner knowing. This is going to be hilarious!
Is that actually a thing?