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Fictionvision: If this is mainly aimed at torrents, then the way they get you is having a copyright bot crawl for torrents, connect to the swarm, then get a list of IP addresses with time stamps on them. Doing things like direct download and newsgroups won't be tracked unless ISPs are setting up some kind of deep packet inspection, which I'd imagine will raise all kinds of privacy issues and lawsuits.
yeah, the latter seems improbable.
so if its the first one:
finally something that isn't drm or censoring internet. if they do it right it shouldn't matter other than copyright if they do it that way?
(clarification: in that its refreshing to see them try something that might actually affect the ones they're after who are actually stealing their stuff instead of making everything suck for everybody else who legitimately purchases them like they usually do)
Post edited January 11, 2013 by pseudonarne
What if it's a package torrent with albums from multiple artists. That could be six strikes right there.
trying to think of something to say other than "so".... I mean 6 strikes for 6 thefts is the same weather done all in one go or not.... but they'll probably count it as 1 instead(bet its less paperwork and easier to defend if somebody whines unless they see a ton of bundled downloads lol)
(and they'd get sued and fought if they slowed your connection for no reason(and if they did for good reason too) so they wouldn't do it unless they have solid proof. but in your specific example you're definitely stealing them not just accused because they saw torrent of something and assumed copyright so its your own damned fault lol)
unless they make this horrible. then I'll have to edit this to say I was against it the whole time and told you so ;)

either way I don't download copyrighted stuff and my isp isn't part of it so won't affect me ha
Post edited January 11, 2013 by pseudonarne
Time to start stealing my neighbor's internet so I can fuck them over forever!

RL trolling just got a little easier!
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bevinator: Time to start stealing my neighbor's internet so I can fuck them over forever!

RL trolling just got a little easier!
yeah. just use some enemy's wifi :D
Post edited January 11, 2013 by pseudonarne
what if I am downloading a client for a MMO (including all expansions) for which I have a active subscription (with all expansions) off TPB because I lost the disks, had to buy a console version of expansion (key will work with PC), and/or wanted to install everything in one or two installers? Would my ISP still count that as a strike if they were sent confirming data (a printout of account information including activated expansions) as a deterrent to remove the strike? Or would I be taking them to court on the grounds of violating my 4th amendment right to privacy and unlawful search?
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wizisi2k: what if I am downloading a client for a MMO (including all expansions) for which I have a active subscription (with all expansions) off TPB because I lost the disks, had to buy a console version of expansion (key will work with PC), and/or wanted to install everything in one or two installers? Would my ISP still count that as a strike if they were sent confirming data (a printout of account information including activated expansions) as a deterrent to remove the strike? Or would I be taking them to court on the grounds of violating my 4th amendment right to privacy and unlawful search?
Saw someone claim before they got a copyright infringement claim from Blizzard for downloading an older version of the client off a torrent. They intended to use it for a private server, but even if they didn't it didn't matter. Blizzard claimed it was un-authorized distribution of the client since the torrent didn't come from them.

You can protest the strike, but that will cost you $35.
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Kabuto: What if it's a package torrent with albums from multiple artists. That could be six strikes right there.
If you are unlucky enough to be caught by six copyright owners for the same download you have probably been hit by a truck by now, therefore none of this matters to you :)

I do accept though that one copyright holder could distribute the information to others parties. Not sure how they would handle that.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Egotomb
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Egotomb: Waiting with baited breath to hear all the excuses about why people think this is wrong.

For the record you don't get a strike just for downloading a torrent, you get a strike for downloading copyrighted material.
If you don't see the potential for corporate abuse here then you're way too far down the rabbit hole to debate with.
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Egotomb: If you are unlucky enough to be caught by six copyright owners for the same download you have probably been hit by a truck by now, therefore none of this matters to you :)
people get hit by trucks every day...
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Egotomb: Waiting with baited breath to hear all the excuses about why people think this is wrong.

For the record you don't get a strike just for downloading a torrent, you get a strike for downloading copyrighted material.
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StingingVelvet: If you don't see the potential for corporate abuse here then you're way too far down the rabbit hole to debate with.
Did you have something to add or did you just want to insult my intelligence?
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Egotomb: If you are unlucky enough to be caught by six copyright owners for the same download you have probably been hit by a truck by now, therefore none of this matters to you :)
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amok: people get hit by trucks every day...
Indeed...that's why it's important not to quote out of context.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Egotomb
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Egotomb: Did you have something to add or did you just want to insult my intelligence?
I already added it. You got all snarky right off the bat assuming anyone who has an issue with this is searching for excuses. The simple fact is this is riddled with potential corporate abuse and is dictating punishments for unproven crimes. How you can be so snarkily for it is beyond me.
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Egotomb: Did you have something to add or did you just want to insult my intelligence?
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StingingVelvet: I already added it. You got all snarky right off the bat assuming anyone who has an issue with this is searching for excuses. The simple fact is this is riddled with potential corporate abuse and is dictating punishments for unproven crimes. How you can be so snarkily for it is beyond me.
An earlier post already added how if you don't like someone you could potentially use their wireless to see if you can get a strike against them to cause grief.

I await some ridiculous claims coming forward. Like a claim someone downloaded a 4 gig DVD iso when they have a pre-paid cell phone account capped at a gig a month.
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Egotomb: Did you have something to add or did you just want to insult my intelligence?
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StingingVelvet: I already added it. You got all snarky right off the bat assuming anyone who has an issue with this is searching for excuses. The simple fact is this is riddled with potential corporate abuse and is dictating punishments for unproven crimes. How you can be so snarkily for it is beyond me.
Not really sure why I'm explaining myself to someone whos' opening gambit was a personal insult but one can only try.

I'm not really for it or against it because it doesn't affect me. I simply have a problem with freeloaders that come up with ridiculous excuses time after time as to why they should be able to continue doing what they're doing, hence my opening comment.

If you were to ask me though do I expect some George Orwell scenario to come of this strikes business then no I don't. Something had to be done sooner or later, Frankly I don't see how they could be more lenient.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Egotomb
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johnki: So how is this going to be handled? Are you going to be punished just for VISITING a torrent site? For downloading a torrent? For being caught running one (which would be ridiculous...many legitimate businesses give torrent options)?

Also, since I didn't read the article, are AT&T or Time Warner/Roadrunner one of the participating ISPs?
Basically the media companies the ISPs are partnering with (read: RIAA and MPAA members) accuse you of piracy (and what method they use to determine who to accuse is up to them), and the ISP takes their word for it.

The participating ISPs are Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner, Comcast, and Cablevision.
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Egotomb: For the record you don't get a strike just for downloading a torrent, you get a strike for downloading copyrighted material.
You get a strike for being accused of copyright infringement. By the same people who have claimed that laser printers were torrenting their content.