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Posted April 25, 2012
Son of a B. They got to go and make life complicated do they? I use linux, and am anti-Steam. Those two things got along just fine until I read this. I want linux gaming to be more mainstream, but I want steam to be less mainstream, but not supporting steam means I now don't support linux gaming?

Had to go off and F with the natural order of things did they? The whole world upside down and spun like a screw. Its not natural I say. Money moving into a platform that has been rather blissfully free of the aggressive branding and embedded advertising found in Winworld. Ah the two edged sword of growth and prosperity. On the very eve that what one gets that which they have finally longed for, they also find they have lost all virtue they held dear.

I'm being dramatic, but it feels weird, and I never thought I would hear such a thing.
Post edited April 25, 2012 by gooberking
Posted April 25, 2012
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TheJoe: Seriously. Just compile your goddamn code with GCC and we'll all be happy.
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Fenixp: Just a little side note, is there anything stopping Microsoft from using GCC instead of that abomination for C++ they wrap with Visual Studio? You know, like lincese or anything? Or is it just Microsoft developing their own standards for the sake of it again?
When GCC 1.0 was released in 1987, Microsoft had already had their own C compiler out for 2 years, and they were using it internally a full year before that.

Backward compatibility dictates that your C++ compiler really needs to be closely related to your C compiler, so they hardly had a choice once they decided to work on C++ support.

Licensing is also a factor; GCC is licensed under the GPL, so they would have had to distribute the source code as well. Hardly ideal when you're competing against several other companies (plus, Microsoft really doesn't like GPL).
Post edited April 25, 2012 by Pidgeot
Posted April 25, 2012
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gooberking: Son of a B. They got to go and make life complicated do they? I use linux, and am anti-Steam. Those two things got along just fine until I read this. I want linux gaming to be more mainstream, but I want steam to be less mainstream, but not supporting steam means I now don't support linux gaming?

Had to go off and F with the natural order of things did they? The whole world upside down and spun like a screw. Its not natural I say. Money moving into a platform that has been rather blissfully free of the aggressive branding and embedded advertising found in Winworld. Ah the two edged sword of growth and prosperity. On the very eve that what one gets that which they have finally longed for, they also find they have lost all virtue they held dear.

I'm being dramatic, but it feels weird, and I never thought I would hear such a thing.
Steam on Linux definitely would be a game changer for gaming on Linux, just like how it was on the Mac, but I don't reckon it would significantly change the gaming habits of a lot of Linux users. If anything I'd wager that the one thing which would get Linux users on Steam wouldn't be the porting of Steam to Linux, but Steam arriving as a DRM-free platform.
Posted April 25, 2012
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gooberking: Son of a B. They got to go and make life complicated do they? I use linux, and am anti-Steam. Those two things got along just fine until I read this. I want linux gaming to be more mainstream, but I want steam to be less mainstream, but not supporting steam means I now don't support linux gaming?

Had to go off and F with the natural order of things did they? The whole world upside down and spun like a screw. Its not natural I say. Money moving into a platform that has been rather blissfully free of the aggressive branding and embedded advertising found in Winworld. Ah the two edged sword of growth and prosperity. On the very eve that what one gets that which they have finally longed for, they also find they have lost all virtue they held dear.

I'm being dramatic, but it feels weird, and I never thought I would hear such a thing.
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rampancy: Steam on Linux definitely would be a game changer for gaming on Linux, just like how it was on the Mac, but I don't reckon it would significantly change the gaming habits of a lot of Linux users. If anything I'd wager that the one thing which would get Linux users on Steam wouldn't be the porting of Steam to Linux, but Steam arriving as a DRM-free platform.
Wave shiny games in their face and some will turn, and that number will grow, and grow and grow. On the other hand, this might push GoG in that direction.
Posted April 25, 2012
Well, I wasn't expecting to read this today.

As a dual-booter between Win7 and Ubuntu, I'm pretty interested to see what they can come up with. I know it's a form of DRM, but anything that raises the profile of gaming on Linux, etc., is to be applauded, imo.
Posted April 25, 2012
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ne_zavarj: And Valve's Steam will become a monopoly . :(
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Quit trying to stir up shit.
You're one to talk.

I think the main mistake with the GP is that it's already a monopoly, becoming has nothing to do with it.

As for the topic at hand, they've been working on this for years.
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StormHammer: Well, I wasn't expecting to read this today.

As a dual-booter between Win7 and Ubuntu, I'm pretty interested to see what they can come up with. I know it's a form of DRM, but anything that raises the profile of gaming on Linux, etc., is to be applauded, imo.
I think the real benefit for Linux users is the ability of people to uninstall Windows if Steam was what was keeping them on Windows and all the free to play games that Steam provides.
Post edited April 25, 2012 by hedwards
Posted April 25, 2012
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gooberking: Son of a B. They got to go and make life complicated do they? I use linux, and am anti-Steam. Those two things got along just fine until I read this. I want linux gaming to be more mainstream, but I want steam to be less mainstream, but not supporting steam means I now don't support linux gaming?

Had to go off and F with the natural order of things did they? The whole world upside down and spun like a screw. Its not natural I say. Money moving into a platform that has been rather blissfully free of the aggressive branding and embedded advertising found in Winworld. Ah the two edged sword of growth and prosperity. On the very eve that what one gets that which they have finally longed for, they also find they have lost all virtue they held dear.

I'm being dramatic, but it feels weird, and I never thought I would hear such a thing.
I really don't get why there is so many steam haters here, steam has never been a skin off my nose so far I only had minor/bearable issues with it that I could easily fix.
Post edited April 25, 2012 by Elmofongo
Posted April 25, 2012
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TheJoe: In practice, we have BSD which is a living example of a Linux replacement for GNU.
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Gersen: "BSD is a Linux replacement", never EVER say that near BSD fans unless you want your life to end violently.
You shouldn't say it because it isn't true. *BSD dates back a full decade before Linux came onto the scene and Linux himself has suggested that Linux wouldn't have been created had he known about BSD at the time.
Posted April 25, 2012
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hedwards: You're one to talk.
Trolling is such a bad look for you.
Posted April 25, 2012
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Elmofongo: I really don't get why there is so many steam haters here, steam has never been a skin off my nose so far I only had minor/bearable issues with it that I could easily fix.
For me personally, the DRM is a bigger issue than having native support. Then again, I typically only play older games that run quite well in Linux under DOSBox/ScummVM/WINE... and while having newer games available natiely in Linux would be awesome for the community as a whole, I can't imagine myself using it. I like that I can save all my GOG games to my backup server, and on any rainy day, pull out the setup file and play Myst, on any machine anywhere.

That said, I know it's mainly because I'm not a huge fan of the general DRM trend of all media nowadays. And I also accept that whether I personally benefit or not, it's excellent on the whole for Linux users. So I take it for what it is.
Posted April 25, 2012
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hedwards: You're one to talk.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Trolling is such a bad look for you.
lol, so your response is to prove me right.
Post edited April 25, 2012 by hedwards
Posted April 25, 2012
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: Trolling is such a bad look for you.
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hedwards: lol, so your response to to prove me right.
Okay, which one of you needs a spanking?
Posted April 25, 2012
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Elmofongo: I really don't get why there is so many steam haters here, steam has never been a skin off my nose so far I only had minor/bearable issues with it that I could easily fix.
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cuppsy: For me personally, the DRM is a bigger issue than having native support. Then again, I typically only play older games that run quite well in Linux under DOSBox/ScummVM/WINE... and while having newer games available natiely in Linux would be awesome for the community as a whole, I can't imagine myself using it. I like that I can save all my GOG games to my backup server, and on any rainy day, pull out the setup file and play Myst, on any machine anywhere.

That said, I know it's mainly because I'm not a huge fan of the general DRM trend of all media nowadays. And I also accept that whether I personally benefit or not, it's excellent on the whole for Linux users. So I take it for what it is.
at least steam is not Uplay there is an offline mode for most games
Posted April 25, 2012
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Posted April 25, 2012
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gooberking: Son of a B. They got to go and make life complicated do they? I use linux, and am anti-Steam. Those two things got along just fine until I read this. I want linux gaming to be more mainstream, but I want steam to be less mainstream, but not supporting steam means I now don't support linux gaming?

Had to go off and F with the natural order of things did they? The whole world upside down and spun like a screw. Its not natural I say. Money moving into a platform that has been rather blissfully free of the aggressive branding and embedded advertising found in Winworld. Ah the two edged sword of growth and prosperity. On the very eve that what one gets that which they have finally longed for, they also find they have lost all virtue they held dear.

I'm being dramatic, but it feels weird, and I never thought I would hear such a thing.
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Elmofongo: I really don't get why there is so many steam haters here, steam has never been a skin off my nose so far I only had minor/bearable issues with it that I could easily fix.
Then you must be missing something fundamental about how Steam works and how that differs from one of the MAJOR philosophies of GOG(here) that brings people like me here in the first place. Its easy math as to why there is a high rate of steam hate around this ol' digital tavern. For the ale here is marketed to that very type and we drink from it gladly.

Which isn't to say steam users don't come here too, but it is a little surprising why the suits come into the biker bar wondering whats up with all the guys in leather.
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