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Wraith: So, this plan is to BUY the game, supporting the company, rather than writing to Ubisoft to protest the decision, or just simply not buying the game.
Then again, the last two PC game boycotts have been an utter joke, so this one will likely wind up as too. I knew this was going to come after what happened with the first AC game on PC.

Or Prince of Persia Progidy without DLC for PC.
How about you just don't buy the game if the DRM bothers you? Even if it is tempting let the company claim low sales are due to piracy and not sell anything after that, because chances are their games weren't worth playing to begin with.
The problem here isn't that we are helpless as consumers but people don't realize we are better off without the support of companies who feel the need to push this on us. If huge companies don't take the limelight then indie companies, who usually avoid this type of thing, will get it and everyone is happy.
I personally haven't bought a game with Securom, Games for Windows Live or activation limited games in almost 2 years and will never get one again because of not agreeing with it. Do the same with Ubisoft's DRM.
Post edited February 20, 2010 by Whiteblade999
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Whiteblade999: I personally haven't bought a game with Securom, Games for Windows Live or activation limited games in almost 2 years and will never get one again because of not agreeing with it. Do the same with Ubisoft's DRM.

You . . along with lowyhong and myself . . . have the beginnings of a protest . . .=)
Edit: add barleyguy to the list as well
Post edited February 20, 2010 by Stuff
The only good solution seems to NOT buy any future UBI game that uses this online DRM scheme. NONE AT ALL. Maybe buy some of the older ubi games here like beyond good and evil instead.
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Whiteblade999: The problem here isn't that we are helpless as consumers but people don't realize we are better off without the support of companies who feel the need to push this on us. If huge companies don't take the limelight then indie companies, who usually avoid this type of thing, will get it and everyone is happy.
I personally haven't bought a game with Securom, Games for Windows Live or activation limited games in almost 2 years and will never get one again because of not agreeing with it. Do the same with Ubisoft's DRM.

Well said, that man!
PC gaming is not "dying". People have been saying that for the past 10 years, and I've yet to see a single sign that it's true. PC gaming will never die, for the simple reason that most people have a PC in their home already, and not using it for playing games as well as the other stuff it's used for would be a tremendous waste of hardware.
What MAY be happening to some degree, is that some of the current batch of AAA game publishers are pulling away from the PC platform. This will not kill PC gaming. The indie developers are already moving in, and more will follow. Those that are successful will themselves be making AAA titles in a few years. And so a generation change occurs, but PC gaming lives on regardless. The PC gaming market is simply too big and juicy, so someone will always seek to supply it.
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drmlessgames: The only good solution seems to NOT buy any future UBI game that uses this online DRM scheme. NONE AT ALL. Maybe buy some of the older ubi games here like beyond good and evil instead.

Second. I wouldn't recommend swtiching to console games aswell, because that's what Ubisoft wants.
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drmlessgames: The only good solution seems to NOT buy any future UBI game that uses this online DRM scheme. NONE AT ALL. Maybe buy some of the older ubi games here like beyond good and evil instead.
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Tantrix: Second. I wouldn't recommend swtiching to console games aswell, because that's what Ubisoft wants.

Yep, exactly. And they want to keep people from selling back their old copies of their games too.
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drmlessgames: Yep, exactly. And they want to keep people from selling back their old copies of their games too.

Then they must censor ebay and amazon 8P
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drmlessgames: Yep, exactly. And they want to keep people from selling back their old copies of their games too.
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Tantrix: Then they must censor ebay and amazon 8P

And used games stores and garage sales everywhere too. It's pretty astounding that game companies can get away with prohibitng people from returning or selling back what they bought to someone else.
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komoto: I'm guessing you didn't read the article, or don't understand the problem.
I think the underlying reasoning for this approach (instead of a boycott) is:
1) Gamers (collectively) are pretty rubbish at boycotts, so they don't work.
2) Money talks, so Ubisoft will hear.

If gamers aren't able to hold off buying products then that's their money talking, and there's not much that can be done. A small minority taking out their frustrations on retailers will simply be drowned out by the many who still buy the product. And it just makes those who oppose such DRM schemes seem petty and childish. On the other hand, the purpose of simply not buying the game is twofold. First and foremost it's for your own benefit- if you don't think that the game is worth what's being asked for it because of the DRM (or any other reason) then obviously you shouldn't be buying it. I wouldn't even call this kind of action a boycott, it's simply the free market at work. Second, if enough people feel similarly (that the product isn't worth the asking price) then the company making the product will have to take notice and respond or else they will eventually go under. Again, this is simply the market at work. If enough people speak with their money in their own self-interest then companies will take notice; and if it turns out that most people are using their money to say things contrary to what you want to say then that's just how it is. Attempts to drown out all those other voices will either prove useless or will backfire and cause some collateral damage along the way.
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komoto: I want to buy Beyond Good & Evil 2 without DRM, and this is the best idea I've heard so far as an attempt to make that happen.

That's the problem with your mindset, and also why many gamers will still buy games even while complaining loudly about the DRM used. Myself, I don't want to buy any particular game. I want to buy a fun RPG, or strategy game, or adventure game, without the hassle of any particularly troublesome DRM. And I know that there are plenty of companies out there willing to sell me what I want, even if it turns out Ubisoft is not. I win regardless of what Ubisoft does.
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StingingVelvet: I have a promise it will be patched out so I can play it in 20 years.

I think in legal circles that's known as an "I promise not to cum" clause. ;)
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Delixe: There is literally nothing we can do to voice our concerns against Ubisoft which will result in any changes.

Money talks. If Ubisoft sees dismal sales for games that include this DRM then they'll have to take notice if they want to survive. Sure, we'll initially get the rhetoric that piracy is what's responsible for the low sales, but the conversations in Ubisoft's internal meetings will likely be of a very different tone; and if Ubisoft doesn't end up changing their ways then they'll simply eventually become irrelevant and go under, as is the case with all companies that don't respond to their market. On the other hand, if there's much gnashing of teeth among gamers but they still end up buying the game, well, as I initially said, money talks.
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Wishbone: What MAY be happening to some degree, is that some of the current batch of AAA game publishers are pulling away from the PC platform. This will not kill PC gaming. The indie developers are already moving in, and more will follow. Those that are successful will themselves be making AAA titles in a few years. And so a generation change occurs, but PC gaming lives on regardless. The PC gaming market is simply too big and juicy, so someone will always seek to supply it.

Bingo. As long as a market exists where profits can be made someone will seek to cater to that market. The only thing that can "kill" PC gaming is if the market disappears, and I know I have little intention of moving away from PC gaming anytime soon (and I hardly think I'm alone).
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Delixe: There is literally nothing we can do to voice our concerns against Ubisoft which will result in any changes.
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DarrkPhoenix: Money talks. If Ubisoft sees dismal sales for games that include this DRM then they'll have to take notice if they want to survive. Sure, we'll initially get the rhetoric that piracy is what's responsible for the low sales, but the conversations in Ubisoft's internal meetings will likely be of a very different tone; and if Ubisoft doesn't end up changing their ways then they'll simply eventually become irrelevant and go under, as is the case with all companies that don't respond to their market. On the other hand, if there's much gnashing of teeth among gamers but they still end up buying the game, well, as I initially said, money talks.

Actually if the sales drop low and Ubisoft continue to put their fingers in their ears and blame piracy they could simply withdraw PC support entirely. It's happened before (Epic, Remedy, Lionhead) and no doubt will happen again. All these cries about a dying market and piracy killing the industry are lies used to cover the real truth. Consoles are where the money is and we don't want to make PC games anymore.
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Delixe: Actually if the sales drop low and Ubisoft continue to put their fingers in their ears and blame piracy they could simply withdraw PC support entirely. It's happened before (Epic, Remedy, Lionhead) and no doubt will happen again. All these cries about a dying market and piracy killing the industry are lies used to cover the real truth. Consoles are where the money is and we don't want to make PC games anymore.

If Ubisoft (or any company) stepped out of PC gaming then I wouldn't really see that as much of a loss. Another company will step up to grab the marketshare. Also, I doubt that Ubisoft is simply trying to create an excuse to get out of PC gaming, but if it turns out they are then all I have to say is this: Grow some balls, buys. You don't need an excuse to get out of a market sector. Being able to make more money elsewhere is a perfectly legitimate reason, so just come out and say that.
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Delixe: It's happened before (Epic, Remedy, Lionhead)

That's all Microsoft. :P
Lionhead and Remedy want to develop for PC but MS won't let them...
Epic are stupid and think piracy is the end of the world.
Post edited February 20, 2010 by chautemoc
Yeah, chalk me up as another who thinks this scheme is really just patently stupid.
As many others have said, just don't buy their product...period. Even better than that, buy their older stuff (if it doesn't end up getting ported to this new system). For example, let's say you were interested in Silent Hunter V. When it launches, go buy Silent Hunter IV on Steam or where-ever. Send them a letter explaining why you went with the older product...to avoid this new system.
GOG should make a 75% week-long sale for all the Ubisoft titles here , and all GOG 'ers should purchase all the titles for sale, just to make a point. Then GOG can send the sales data to Ubisoft's offices. :D
Post edited February 20, 2010 by drmlessgames