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KneeTheCap: Come to think of it, now if GOG was (god forbid) hacked, would you all be so giggly ?
Would it matter? No info is stored.
:)))
they don't look trusty now
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dirtyharry50: Agreed. I am neither amused nor impressed by the antics of hackers who should apply their skills and intelligence to more worthwhile endeavors. This kind of crap ultimately inconveniences (minimally) customers more than anybody else and it sucks.
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Crosmando: The real issue is that Ubisoft obviously do not bother with proper security, which is why it happened.

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StingingVelvet: So because I wanted to play Far Cry 3 my account being hacked is funny? I don't get it.
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Crosmando: There's a lesson somewhere in this I think. Something about the risks of having games being tied to online accounts and DRM or something.
The point about inadequate security on the Ubisoft side of this is well taken but it does not diminish what I had to say about the bastards doing the hacking just the same. The whole thing stinks.
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wpegg: You have crossed the streams. Never cross the streams! Bad things happen.

People have suffered from subscribing to an online service. This service happened to be associated (but not exclusively) DRM, it could just as easily be a cookery site. The point is that a trusted service was hacked, not that DRM was hacked.

As it happens it's true that many people wouldn't have subscribed were it not for DRM, however when you've bought the game (as I had with AC2) it's kind of hard to do anything else, I could have fought for a refund but it would be hard.
Again I might have gotten a bit off-point with the DRM stuff, my point was simply that if don't make simple inquiries or look up information before signing up to an online service with their personal information. Especially information that tells them that signing up to services like UPlay means they may be UNABLE to play the games they buy if locked out of their account or are unable to find themselves without a reliable internet connection.

Again, ignorance is no excuse and if no one makes these kind of simple inquires before throwing their name, address and credit card number about, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

Everyone should inform themselves, including watching great videos such as:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjEbpMgiL7U
before signing up to any DRM service.

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StingingVelvet: I didn't say the majority make it correct, I said it's a different opinion from yours that a lot of people have. That you think they deserve suffering because of that is truly demented.
Just because someone has a "different" opinion (or any opinion) doesn't mean that opinion has any merit, value or truth in it whatsoever. Perhaps you should stop talking as if people are incapable of thinking and informing themselves, and taking any personal responsibility. No one is forcing anyone to use DRM schemes, and people ought to be curious of the dangers. To their own detriment if they are not.

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dirtyharry50: The point about inadequate security on the Ubisoft side of this is well taken but it does not diminish what I had to say about the bastards doing the hacking just the same. The whole thing stinks.
Hackers will always exist, it's a given. Inadequate security does not have to exist.

A shitload of corporate apologism for Ubi ITT.
Post edited July 02, 2013 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: Just because someone has a "different" opinion (or any opinion) doesn't mean that opinion has any merit, value or truth in it whatsoever.
And you are the all powerful authority who decides which opinions have merit, I take it?

We're living in a world of accounts now. It's too late to turn back on that shit and people like it because it offers them benefits they enjoy. They don't just sign up for accounts because fuck yeah why not. Steam and systems like it offer a lot of features and benefits people consider well worth the trade off. Your opinion on how stupid that is does not come from on high, rising above the common rabble with its intelligence and foresight.

You could lecture about password safety, caution or whatever else without laughing at people for being hacked and sounding like a complete ass.
Bloody hell, these hackers are annoying. Thankfully, I never use the same password for different sites/accounts. Changed mine as soon as I found out about this, but man it pisses me off.
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oasis789: after reading a bit about how quickly a gpu farm can brute force / dictionary attack, the longer the better
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Titanium: Yeah, good luck with obscure slovenian folktale words.
best not to use words at all, some combo of lower upper numbers and symbols
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StingingVelvet: And you are the all powerful authority who decides which opinions have merit, I take it?

We're living in a world of accounts now. It's too late to turn back on that shit and people like it because it offers them benefits they enjoy. They don't just sign up for accounts because fuck yeah why not. Steam and systems like it offer a lot of features and benefits people consider well worth the trade off. Your opinion on how stupid that is does not come from on high, rising above the common rabble with its intelligence and foresight.

You could lecture about password safety, caution or whatever else without laughing at people for being hacked and sounding like a complete ass.
I'm not reading that
Post edited July 02, 2013 by Crosmando
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Titanium: Yeah, good luck with obscure slovenian folktale words.
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oasis789: best not to use words at all, some combo of lower upper numbers and symbols
Not necessarily...
If an algorithm were to search every word or word combination possible, in every language out there, including words that do not count in Scrabble, such as proper names (especially of fictional characters, even more so for ones from obscure fantasy novels or personal roleplaying experience)... There's just no way, might as well search every letter combination. On a positive note - this would eliminate the need to check for special characters ! Unless someone went with "wow,theconceptofśunjataisabsolutelyrad!" or anything of this sort.
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Licurg: *Giggles*
Would be so much fun to see your face if GOG gets hacked.
C'mon guys, we all know the XKCD post is coming. It's only half right though. Phrases are usually grammatically sound, and usually exist as reference somewhere. These things massively reduce the problem space. Previously we thought that hashes were enough, but they're not, fiendish hackers created rainbow tables to enumerate it all, and I'm not sure it couldn't be further combined in future.

Having said that, for now you are right, use a pass "phrase" rather than a password. Helps to chuck a few numbers in there though.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw that Vestin already did it.
Post edited July 02, 2013 by wpegg
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Crosmando: I'm not reading that
Great debate tactic. So is negging all my posts.

Do me a favor and never engage with me again, thanks.
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Crosmando: Hackers will always exist, it's a given. Inadequate security does not have to exist.
I think you are operating under the mistaken assumption that perfection in computer software systems is currently a humanly attainable goal. It isn't.

For the foreseeable future we can all expect continued intrusions into supposedly secure systems to be the norm because not a single one of them is perfect. It's not a matter of if, it is just a matter of when the next one will occur.

This is similar to how fighting the plague of malware and viruses is a never ending battle because no sooner is one issue resolved then hackers come up with a new approach.

Cyber-warfare around the world has already begun as nations seek to compromise other nation's systems by breaking into "secure" systems so that they can be spied upon, stolen from and damaged as desired.

To think some game company is above being broken into just because they try not to be is simply not realistic.

Anyway, lessons are learned from these intrusions and better systems are developed but the battle goes on between the hackers and security experts is my point and it isn't ending any time soon. All other Ubisoft issues aside, they are just the latest victim of this is all.
Post edited July 02, 2013 by dirtyharry50
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Elenarie: Would be so much fun to see your face if GOG gets hacked.
We have DRM-free games here you know? I don't know about most people here but I download them all in case I would lose the account or GOG would go bankrupt.

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dirtyharry50: To think some game company is above being broken into just because they try not to be is simply not realistic.
Then how do you explain how Sony managed to leave their customers' passwords unencrypted on their servers? Sony isn't Ubisoft but both are international, multi-billion dollar game corporations. I know it's stupid to assume that it was automatically Ubisoft's fault because hackers are clever or it can happen to anyone but there are standards to up hold.

It's like this. I blame the hackers for the intrusion but I still believe it's Ubisoft's responsibility to keep some security protocols to protect customer information. If they don't, a customer has every right to be angry with Ubisoft.
Except I don't remember which password I used for their shitty Uplay, so now I don't have any idea which one of my passwords is compromised....

Sigh, fucking Ubisoft.