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I see where Elenarie is coming from.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions on DRM, as on every other topic. And of course everyone is entitled to express them.

It's when people feel the need to force those same opinions in constantly and attempt to take over every conversation about a game that it starts to become obnoxious.
Keep in mind that it takes at least two to have an argument. Most of the time when people complain about DRM, Steam, etc, in a thread they are content to say their piece and leave, unless someone else then tries to tell them why their complaint or criticism is wrong, then a nice big argument erupts and takes over half the thread. Somewhat ironically, the people who do this also tend to be the people who then complain about DRM discussions taking over threads. Elenarie, you've been quite guilty of this yourself on several occasions. My advice to you would be to remember that you have little control over how other people here post, but complete control over how you post. If someone starts posting about DRM or something you think is somewhat off-topic (or unproductive) in a thread then the best thing you can do is to just bite your tongue, resist the urge to reply to them, and only contribute to the thread in a way that focuses on the topic you think should be the focus of the thread. Let other people say their piece and leave, don't create a massive argument that takes over the thread just because their perceived-as-offtopic post rubbed you the wrong way.
First off, I'm not sure if I'm also guilty of this, because I always try to counter at least the most inane arguements (eg. "I don't own Steam games/piracy is theft"). I probably am, but more often than not, I feel the need to provide balance to the force.

The problem on the forums here is that recently, you are either for the war or against the troops. You are either against Blizzard and Valve or you are a Steam fanboy. People appearently have forgotten that there is a middle ground.

The most recent low point on the discussion was the Wasteland 2 on Origin thread.
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Elenarie: The stupid over the top fanboysm about some things
Really? You know I like you dude, but you complaining about fanboyism is like me complaining about know-it-alls.
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timppu: First, if you can't stomach anti-DRM discussion, this is clearly a wrong forum for you, knowing that GOG's one of the main selling points is lack of DRM.
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macuahuitlgog: He is pissed off that a GOG member stated in the title of his thread that he wants no DRM discussion in his thread and people still posted about DRM in his thread. So those people were behaving like trolls or can't read. Elenarie isn't mad because people have anti DRM discussions here at GOG.
Technically the comment was a one or two liner expressing simply the fact that they didn't think that the subject of Diablo 3 game play and D3's DRM solution were completely separable. It wasn't complaining about DRM, it was complaining about the premise of the thread, whether it's a valid premise or not, the premise was not about DRM but about whether the anything about D3 can be completely separated from said DRM. Given the design of the game it may very well be a valid point and probably was a propos to said thread.
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SimonG: The most recent low point on the discussion was the Wasteland 2 on Origin thread.
I must have missed this one, but since it sounds like it would have made me sad, I'm guess I'm glad I did.
Post edited May 23, 2012 by orcishgamer
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orcishgamer: Technically the comment was a one or two liner expressing simply the fact that they didn't think that the subject of Diablo 3 game play and D3's DRM solution were completely separable. It wasn't complaining about DRM, it was complaining about the premise of the thread, whether it's a valid premise or not, the premise was not about DRM but about whether the anything about D3 can be completely separated from said DRM. Given the design of the game it may very well be a valid point and probably was a propos to said thread.
Funnily enough I said almost the same thing(Not as eloquently I admit, but...) a few posts back or so....
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Elenarie: 1. Trolls, spammers and shits

2. The stupid over the top fanboysm about some things has been getting way out of hand. You would think that gamers would be more civilized because they actually use their brain when playing, but no, they are actively trying to be idiots.

3. Diablo 3, Steam, Ubisoft come first on my mind. (as an example) And while FraterPerdurabo created a thread, asking people to leave out DRM discussion (you know, because some people want to do other things and talk about other stuff than masturbate and bash DRM at the same time), people still are spamming the damn thread with DRM related posts.

4. I am fully aware that you hate DRM. But please, can you leave the fuck out your stupid shit and let me and others have some discussion without every second post being related to DRM? If you're not interested, there's no point in spamming threads that don't relate to DRM.
1. You mean like yourself?

2. I agree, your posts in general are a testament to that.

3. Your on a site where DRM Free is a big deal... You wanna chat about a specific DRM'd game? Go pretty much anywhere else on the web... Head over to GameFascists where they'll lynch you for speaking the truth about their lord and savior VALVe, or, better yet, why not try the game's official forum? I'm sure you'll find plenty of like minded people to "masturbate" with to whichever corporation floats your boat...

4. This idiotic mentality, along with the "consumer entitlement" garbage, needs to die in a horrible and spectacular manner... Greed driven, anti-consumer, asshole devs and pubs have decided to make DRM a part of their games, therefor discussing the DRM in any game that has it is always relevant...

Again, you're on a site where DRM Free is a rather large issue, and it's become even more so with the advent of newer releases.

You think you're pissed off? I've gotten moderated for "trolling" on GameFascists for telling the truth in a civil manner to people who asked for opinions on Steam. I've had similar posts downrepped to the point where they're hidden within hours on Amazon. I've been belittled, mocked, slandered, trolled and censored for nothing more than simply not being a part of the rank and file...

I'm sick of people like you, FredDM, Bazilisek, ect... starting shit and turning things personal whenever someone points out that your particular god, (Blizzard, VALVe, ect...), is in reality a total asshole... We're not the ones with the problem here...
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Misanthropic: I'm sick of people like you, FredDM, Bazilisek, ect... starting shit and turning things personal whenever someone points out that your particular god, (Blizzard, VALVe, ect...), is in reality a total asshole... We're not the ones with the problem here...
What a wonderful post, completely free of elitist nonsense. It's always effective when a person accuses everyone else of being an asshole when being one themselves...
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Misanthropic: 1. You mean like yourself?

2. I agree, your posts in general are a testament to that.

3. Your on a site where DRM Free is a big deal... You wanna chat about a specific DRM'd game? Go pretty much anywhere else on the web... Head over to GameFascists where they'll lynch you for speaking the truth about their lord and savior VALVe, or, better yet, why not try the game's official forum? I'm sure you'll find plenty of like minded people to "masturbate" with to whichever corporation floats your boat...

4. This idiotic mentality, along with the "consumer entitlement" garbage, needs to die in a horrible and spectacular manner... Greed driven, anti-consumer, asshole devs and pubs have decided to make DRM a part of their games, therefor discussing the DRM in any game that has it is always relevant...

Again, you're on a site where DRM Free is a rather large issue, and it's become even more so with the advent of newer releases.

You think you're pissed off? I've gotten moderated for "trolling" on GameFascists for telling the truth in a civil manner to people who asked for opinions on Steam. I've had similar posts downrepped to the point where they're hidden within hours on Amazon. I've been belittled, mocked, slandered, trolled and censored for nothing more than simply not being a part of the rank and file...

I'm sick of people like you, FredDM, Bazilisek, ect... starting shit and turning things personal whenever someone points out that your particular god, (Blizzard, VALVe, ect...), is in reality a total asshole... We're not the ones with the problem here...
1. Harsh much? (Even though I disagreed with much OP said, I still don't think they're a shit or a troll.)

2. Again, was this really needed?

3. So you read the OP and automatically start(what sounds to me to be) an anti-DRM rant on a thread complaining about people ranting about DRM?

Look, I don't like DRM either(Some of it anyways, and only to a certain degree.), but even I can see where this post can only bite you in the behind in the long run.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by GameRager
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Elenarie: @gamerager, As, I said, that thread is just an example because is the most recent one. But never mind me, I'm out.
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PhoenixWright: Oh sure, drop the rant topic complete with cursing and then bail :P
I for one appreciate the irony of a troll topic complaining about people trolling.
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hedwards: I for one appreciate the irony of a troll topic complaining about people trolling.
And also this forum's biggest fanboy complaining about fanboys.
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PhoenixWright: Oh sure, drop the rant topic complete with cursing and then bail :P
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hedwards: I for one appreciate the irony of a troll topic complaining about people trolling.
You mean anger driven topic right? I don't think OP ws trolling in the general sense.
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hedwards: I for one appreciate the irony of a troll topic complaining about people trolling.
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spindown: And also this forum's biggest fanboy complaining about fanboys.
And what precisely am I a fanbois of?
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hedwards: And what precisely am I a fanbois of?
Sorry, I meant the OP, not you.
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hedwards: I for one appreciate the irony of a troll topic complaining about people trolling.
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GameRager: You mean anger driven topic right? I don't think OP ws trolling in the general sense.
Mostly, it's a topic that's been created in such a way that it's pretty much inevitably going to lead to a flamewar. So, I guess it could be that, a troll topic or just plain old fashion flamebait.

But in any case, it's hardly something that is terribly useful.
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hedwards: And what precisely am I a fanbois of?
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spindown: Sorry, I meant the OP, not you.
Heh, it's alright, I was just puzzled about how I managed to get such a reputation. Sure, I hate MS, VALVE and Blizzard, but I can't imagine that I've managed to edge people out in that competition.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by hedwards
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hedwards: And what precisely am I a fanbois of?
I'm pretty sure he's referring to OldKavazovAngel, not to you.

Also, on an interesting note, this thread is moving a lot faster than the Diablo Not-DRM thread. Take from that what you may.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by bevinator