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crazy_dave: like as you mentioned Bobby Kotick making statements about profits when people perceive him to be a cold hearted bastard who doesn't care about computer games themselves.
protip: Kotick actually has a software developer background, which is more than you could say about most gaming companies' CEO, who are usually business school graduates with no developing or programming experience.
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Fred_DM: yeah, that really put a dent in the Call of Duty sales... oh, wait!

i haven't seen the quote in question but i'm annoyed by the constant jabs at the competition, primarily at Steam. is this necessary? GoG can't compete with Steam. hell, GamersGate has the largest range of digital games available, and they don't have anywhere near Valve's market share. so why constantly try and make yourself look better than the other guys? 30 million PC gamers think Steam is at the very least an alright digital distribution platform. most think it's great. why try and piss off 30 million potential customers? of course, GoG staff don't have Steam accounts, amirite? oh, wait!
No but it does mean there is less customer loyalty when even your customers don't like and/or trust you.

Taking jabs at the competition is part of marketing - everyone does it as a method to distinguish themselves and point out the differences between their services. GOG isn't trying to compete with Steam, but they do use it as a foil to differentiate themselves from the rest of the market. Every company, tech and non-tech, does it - standard practice and nothing to take personally unless they actually lie or do something actually offensive.
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Fred_DM: protip: Kotick actually has a software developer background, which is more than you could say about most gaming companies' CEO, who are usually business school graduates with no developing or programming experience.
... actually, Kotick isn't a programmer. I checked Wikipedia, which pointed to this Kotaku article, which I quote from:

"He (the college roommate) was the techie, I was the entrepreneur, we had grad students work on it and they did a pretty good job."

He didn't program a damn thing. He was just the guy who got the money.
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crazy_dave: like as you mentioned Bobby Kotick making statements about profits when people perceive him to be a cold hearted bastard who doesn't care about computer games themselves.
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Fred_DM: protip: Kotick actually has a software developer background, which is more than you could say about most gaming companies' CEO, who are usually business school graduates with no developing or programming experience.
Note the word "perceive" in my statement - in PR and politics, it isn't what is true in reality which is important but whether or not a statement or action plays into the perception already in existence about you regardless of the veracity of that perception. I don't know anything about Kotick, so I don't know how fair the perception is, but that's immaterial to PR snafus because that *is* the perception about him.
Post edited March 26, 2012 by crazy_dave
Yeah, let me weigh in on this, since I've worked with Marcin on presentations where he's made similar arguments: what he's saying is not "don't collect games." A lot of you guys do that and enjoy it. Rather, it's a matter of "don't buy games you don't want just because they're on sale."

I think it's easy enough to see, "Oh, that's 85% off so I'll pick it up even though I really don't like that game, or genre, or publisher." And I do think if you're buying a game only because it's on a crazy sale despite no interest in it whatsoever that the steep discounting of games is working against both you and the people who made and published that game.

That said, if owning and curating a collection of games is your thing and you can get a bigger and more comprehensive collection because you got game "X" on sale, more power to you. Then you're getting exactly what you want out of those sales, regardless of whether you play the games or not, and saving yourself a mint to boot.

The message may have gotten a bit mixed up there, and since I'm the guy who proofs these things, it's more my fault than anyone else's. Call it 'operator error' on my part, and my apologies.
Well I think I already have 6-7 copies of Trine (Gamersgate, Bundles, Free with games magazines,etc...)

But having Whispered World DRM-free AND copy protection free is a good news.
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TheEnigmaticT: Yeah, let me weigh in on this, since I've worked with Marcin on presentations where he's made similar arguments: what he's saying is not "don't collect games." A lot of you guys do that and enjoy it. Rather, it's a matter of "don't buy games you don't want just because they're on sale."

I think it's easy enough to see, "Oh, that's 85% off so I'll pick it up even though I really don't like that game, or genre, or publisher." And I do think if you're buying a game only because it's on a crazy sale despite no interest in it whatsoever that the steep discounting of games is working against both you and the people who made and published that game.
I think many of us can be guilty of that :). Damn sales...** must not give into this addiction** .....
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TheEnigmaticT: Yeah, let me weigh in on this, since I've worked with Marcin on presentations where he's made similar arguments: what he's saying is not "don't collect games." A lot of you guys do that and enjoy it. Rather, it's a matter of "don't buy games you don't want just because they're on sale."
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gameon: Thanks for clearing it up abit. But what about people that have a mild interest in something just because its on sale....

I mean, something you wouldn't buy usually, but because its on sale you think, i'lll give it a go. Does that mean we are getting milked?
No it means that GOG are polite enough to say that they are not here only for the profit ;) At least I get it this way. Yes sales are good but go buy the weekly sale on GamersGate then :D
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TheEnigmaticT: Shouldn't you be asleep?
Ts, ts, ts. So it was you who let it slide...

I appreciate coming out here and making that clear.

I still disagree on the issue though. I quite often bought games at huge sales in which I had absolutely no interest before. And I really enjoyed those games. This let not only to my praise for that game but also the purchase of sequels for the full price. Heck, a sale put the whole "indie scene" on the map for me. Which has been very good for me and the indie devs. Of course, this can also backfire and leave dead meat on your shelf. But I also bought Civ 5 full price and never touched it after the first time.

Anyway, there a bigger things coming tomorrow and I'm really excited about the new design!
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gameon: Thanks for clearing it up abit. But what about people that have a mild interest in something just because its on sale....

I mean, something you wouldn't buy usually, but because its on sale you think, i'lll give it a go. Does that mean we are getting milked?
No, because you're buying it with the intent to try it out.
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TheEnigmaticT: Yeah, let me weigh in on this, since I've worked with Marcin on presentations where he's made similar arguments: what he's saying is not "don't collect games." A lot of you guys do that and enjoy it. Rather, it's a matter of "don't buy games you don't want just because they're on sale."
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gameon: Thanks for clearing it up abit. But what about people that have a mild interest in something just because its on sale....

I mean, something you wouldn't buy usually, but because its on sale you think, i'lll give it a go. Does that mean we are getting milked?
I would say no, personally. Some of the best games you pick up are because it was cheap to try, so there wasn't much skin in the game, but I think there's a personal meter you need to use there. For me it's the "what if this thing I'm kind of interested in is terrible? Will I feel ripped off?" If so, then I'd suggest you strive mightily to fight the forces of "must buy!" in case everything does not work out a nicely as you'd hope.

For example, I jumped on the last HIB expressly for Avadon on Android. The other games? I knew absolutely nothing about. I paid 15 bucks for the pack and, for Avadon, that's enough for me. Canabault was a fun little addition to that bundle which (shockingly) I'd never played before. It wasn't worth $15 by itself, no, but it's a discovery I never would have made without the HIB.

However, I've picked up another bundle of indie games before--no, I shan't say which--that had only games I found broken and uninspiring. I only paid $10 for that, and doubt I got even that meagre recompense of entertainment back out of it. I wouldn't say I regretted the purchase, but I only bought the games because they were "pay what I want." None of them were in a particularly interesting genre for me, but I bit anyway, purely on price.

Ah, well. :)

EDIT: Yes, I could have paid a dollar for the second bundle of games, but there's "thrifty", and there's "cheap", and then there's "you skinflint!" I make enough money where I'd feel guilty paying a buck for a bundle of games.
Post edited March 26, 2012 by TheEnigmaticT
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SimonG: Anyway, there a bigger things coming tomorrow and I'm really excited about the new design!
The new design is wicked. I can take a miniscule amount of credit for it, because I told Destro, "You should do something cool with the newspost images." And he did.
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SimonG: I usually don't react to much things I read. Especially on the internet, but that really ticked me off wrong. And I've been called a lot of bad things to the face and I don't lose my cool.

For me, they mark a supporter as an idiot. And around a third (at least) of GOGs sales are games that are being rebought by gamers who already own or played the games they buy.

The much bigger gaff is the editorial highlighting of that sentence. Which honestly makes me wonder if they got to check the finished interview, in its published form.

I could be overreacting, but this is a cheap shot from a company I actually like and support. If this would have come from EA, it would have gotten a "meh" from me (and an extra thread from at least six other forum members ;-) ).
I don't think it was intentionally to mark anyone as an idiot - whether one is buying on Steam or on GOG, but more to highlight that GOG's position is to highlight games that people may want and offer them good service on each sale rather than treat games as a bulk product with massive discount prices - i.e. GOG is the neighborhood boutique compared to the Steam big box store. Sometimes when people get in a passion about what they are saying, they ... exaggerate their position. :) And we know the GOG guys love what they do. :)

Nvmnd ... it seems you and the T cleared it up already ... wow I'm slow!
Post edited March 26, 2012 by crazy_dave
I got plenty of milk.

COME AND GET IT BOOOOYS.
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Foxhack: actually, Kotick isn't a programmer. I checked Wikipedia, which pointed to this Kotaku article, which I quote from:

"He (the college roommate) was the techie, I was the entrepreneur, we had grad students work on it and they did a pretty good job."

He didn't program a damn thing. He was just the guy who got the money.
yeah, i figured he wasn't actually programming the software. what i mean is that he's been in the software business from the start. that's how he started his business activities, and he does seem to have a talent for it. this distinguishes him (at least slightly) from other "gaming" CEOs like EA's Riccitiello who are usually business school grads taking all kinds of managing positions and end up leading a gaming company the same way they would an insurance company.