That's an outright lie. My dual core 1.6ghz laptop runs TL2 without any problems at all. Diablo 3 requires an Intel D 2.8 ghz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ in order to play as the minimum requirements.

That doesn't sound like a well optimized game to me, considering that my chipset was one of those APUs that struggles to play any games more recent than about 2006.

Hey, is it 2012 again?

*shrug*
My i5 with Intel HD Graphics 3000 runs diablo 3 much better than Torchlight 2. That's my experience. You have not said that you have tried to run D3 on your specs.
You might be surprised. Or not.

I have trouble getting into these types of games. You need to like the world, like the loot, and like the character building. But all of these seem underdeveloped compared to other genres. Like with Titan Quest. I see a lot of potential but half-way through the main campaign and the world is lifeless, your impact is non-existent, the loot is horrible, and combat hasn't really developed into something as fun as it is tedious.

I hated Borderlands too. Found Torchlight 1 boring...what is the angle that you're supposed to come into this genre with to make it fun? For me a game like Magicka does everything that I expect but don't get from these titles. A nice setting, fun loot, good co-op experience, silly world where you can kill the inhabitants, combat is simple yet profoundly deep, you can use your abilities to explore unreachable places...the only difference is that you don't level up and apply points to a limited stat/ability grid.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't enjoy ARPGs. I'm just trying to figure out "what" is actually being enjoyed that is completely flying over my head. I feel like they make a shell of a game where people fill in the fun void themselves with their imagination, while I'm stuck analyzing the shell of grinding without any real purpose/amusement. I still have some hope for Van Helsing and Grim Dawn when I get around to those though.

diablo 3 is one of the better optimized games out there , i have played both games on my laptop which has core 2 duo 1.6ghz and intel x3100 . I have to say diablo 3 ran better and i could have some eye candy even at lowest settings . Torchlight 2 was brutally slow specially when mobs showed up .

btw you get a warning from the diablo 3 game that it wont run on this hardware but you can bypass the check

I suppose i can add my two cents...

Yes torchlight was made a bit by the original authors of Diablo, perhaps more so the music has that similar feel that gets you right into the mood. There's plenty of random loot and although i can't compare it to D3 due to not playing it, it plays more like D1 than D2.

TL2 was interesting, and a lot closer to D2, although i can't say i was thrilled with the changes (although i beat the game). Perhaps i was most disappointed because in TL i played the rouge throwing out traps, and missed that. Beyond that it was a good game.

I don't want to recommend Blizzard with their current DRM practices, but i won't rant for 10 paragraphs on the topic.


Oh yes as for Path of Exile. Excellent game from what i played like a year ago; Much closer to what D3 should have looked and felt like; More survival and less invincible god-of-war. Be warned there's trading, and no currency (gold). However after playing the Zy-El mod and seeing there's a player multiplier for groups, i've wanted to apply a multiplier for solo games as well; So i'm waiting for that to be added. Beyond that, it's free and you should give it a try although it's an online-only game.

That is after or before OP explicitly stating he's not happy with Diablo 3? :-P

Seriously tho, Diablo 3 is such a massive paradigm shift for traditional aRPG that it can't really be considered an upgrade to the genre, more of a ... Entirely different twist on it. I can definitely see why would people like it, but I also fully understand why some just don't.

I had nothing but bad experience with D3 on pc (yes I had reaper of souls). Just too many steps backwards compared to D2 (hell, it only has 4 players, and it is online only)

I judge D3 as blizzards experiment into a new micro transaction model, Real World Auction House, and didn't really try to make the best game they could.

D3 on console can be played offline thankfully.


Path of Exile was and is pretty good, but I got desyncs constantaly and made it near unplayable.
I would literally enter a floor/level, work my way down to the next floor/level.... then magically my character would slide on the screen ALLLLLL the way back to the entrence.
Just about every other floor did this to me.
Not to mention the deaths because desync, I was getting hit from dozen of mobs standing on other side of map, I die, and my dead body would slide ALLLLL the way back to the entrence.
(I was told the servers are in Europe somewhere and maybe because I'm in USA I get shitty connection... only happens with this game for me)

@_@

You're misinterpreting things here.

Diablo 3 always has Single Player mode. It's just it's done online. Diablo 3 is online only unlike TL2, and it's capable of SP and MP on the fly.

RMAH has been removed. Horrendous graphic? Torchlight is beyond garbage if D3 is horrendous.

And the fact that I can play D3 just fine on my weak laptop proves the engine is more than good. 2400 hrs on record so far.

You're bitching for the sake of bitching.

I played Torchlight a while back and there is also no exploring whatsoever, you just follow the dungeon to the end and then the next and the next etc.

Try SHADOWS: HERETIC KINGDOMS, it has exploring in a way, you can choose what to do next and the fights/controls are much like D2 (mouse clicking) with modern graphics and lots of other features.

p.s. oh, just read. It is single player only.

Pretty much why I never bought/played D3 or ARMA3 and some other titles I didn't buy.

I will NOT complain about something else about Diablo 3 and its not the Auction House or the Always Online DRM or even the perceived "Dumbed" Down RPG elements even though the last Diablo games were simple to pick up and play.

No one thing I will complain about is this guy:

http://d3cauldron.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Diablo-3-Artwork-Azmodan-4.jpg

Seriously Blizzard did you mixed up your Warcraft artist? Did you fire the guys that did the art design of the first 2 Diablos?

That Azmodan guy looks like some random demon from the Warcraft universe, not the Diablo universe hell he reminds me of the Pit Lord:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140905182146/wowwiki/images/a/a9/Mannoroth_Pit_Lord_.jpg

http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/012/2/2/the_pit_lord_textured_by_bigreek-d370z7a.jpg

Watching paint dry is more fun then playing Diablo 3

Just play Torchlight, Torchlight 2 or Path of Exile for now. Wait for the rest of the Diablo expansions to come out and then buy the battle chest version. You will save a ton of money. I really regret paying full retail for Diablo 3 as it was not worth it.

Didn't saw that post as saying that he's not happy. He's playing the console version, so that's a "meh" to everything said.

Easy? Play Hardcore on Torment difficulties. No randomness in zones? Don't play the story mode, play Adventure mode with rifts and greater rifts.
Yes. RoS leads directly into that.