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JudasIscariot: Have you tried using HiJackThis! to remove the offensive toolbar? I remember it was quite effective at removing such garbage.
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HereForTheBeer: Completely skipped my mind at the time as I was dealing with little crap on three PCs at the same time, while my wife was nagging me to go somewhere. Thanks for the reminder, though - I'll have to try it out next time I go over there.
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lukipela: The only people using OpenOffice are the people that cant afford Office or are opposed to it for political/philosophical reasons.
With exceptions, of course. At my earlier job we had around 6000 PCs, all of which now run OpenOffice (I still have some contact with the techs there so I know a bit of what they're doing), not because they can't afford MSOffice (they did run it up to recently but started the switch before I quit), but because that money is better spent elsewhere.
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orcishgamer: For home buyers it is ignorant, they use no more functions in Word than exist in WordPad. Buying Office for them is a wasted expenditure. I didn't mention business use at all but since you insist on bringing it up I will note I've used OpenOffice.org in a business environment for the past 6 years, it works fine. And no, we don't waste time with PowerPoint presentations.
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lukipela: Oh yeah, im sure. If you have to lie to support your argument, doesnt that mean your argument is probably faulty?


http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm

I am assuming your "business" runs along the lines of the business listed at the end. As far as performance, Office outdoes OpenOffice in every single area. The only people using OpenOffice are the people that cant afford Office or are opposed to it for political/philosophical reasons. Please stop perpetuating the myth that one speadsheet application is the same as another. Its not. The reason Office dominates the business world is because its better. They arent going to pay through the nose for an inferior product, especially if the better product was free.
I just read through the article and the only type of business it tells to steer clear of OpenOffice are offices that use "highly formatted documents or complex Excel functionality"
I apologize for thinking that Java was thinking they were doing people a favor. Now lets talk about toolbars again. The OpenOffice debate looks to be one of those things where neither side will ever change their minds, so there is no sense continuing it.
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lukipela: Oh yeah, im sure. If you have to lie to support your argument, doesnt that mean your argument is probably faulty?


http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page4765.cfm

I am assuming your "business" runs along the lines of the business listed at the end. As far as performance, Office outdoes OpenOffice in every single area. The only people using OpenOffice are the people that cant afford Office or are opposed to it for political/philosophical reasons. Please stop perpetuating the myth that one speadsheet application is the same as another. Its not. The reason Office dominates the business world is because its better. They arent going to pay through the nose for an inferior product, especially if the better product was free.
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Vaemer-Riit: I just read through the article and the only type of business it tells to steer clear of OpenOffice are offices that use "highly formatted documents or complex Excel functionality"
Yeah trust me, the only ideological argument in this thread is lukipela's. Don't worry about it, he's the same as a Linux, MS, or Mac zealot, rational argument won't sway him.

For the rest of you, you can very well use OO.org or LibreOffice, especially for home use, even if someone sends you an occasional MS file formatted document, it handles them fine. Most people don't use much of the functionality in these apps anyway, having them is like having a TI-85 calculator to do balance your checkbook, there's no reason to spend a huge outlay of cash on them.

And as for TCO, the true cost of having Office will become apparent to anyone who's had a BSA audit. They've typically been very unforgiving of a few instances of non-compliance even when tons of the desktops actually were licensed.
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Navagon: Okay now that? That was good. :D
It was terrible. I don't know why I said it.

@lukipela
Here's your "good reason":
I'm a friggin' surgeon. I make ~$200,000 a year (before taxes). I could afford to fund a whole classroom's license for MS-Office if I wanted to. MS-Office is as bloated as the guy that keeps pushing it on TV (or used to. Whatever happened to him?). I like Open Office because it's lean and doesn't make me add anything I don't want to add. 400MB for OO as opposed to 3GB for MSO2010? Yes sir, that's for me.
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Navagon: Okay now that? That was good. :D
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predcon: It was terrible. I don't know why I said it.

@lukipela
Here's your "good reason":
I'm a friggin' surgeon. I make ~$200,000 a year (before taxes). I could afford to fund a whole classroom's license for MS-Office if I wanted to. MS-Office is as bloated as the guy that keeps pushing it on TV (or used to. Whatever happened to him?). I like Open Office because it's lean and doesn't make me add anything I don't want to add. 400MB for OO as opposed to 3GB for MSO2010? Yes sir, that's for me.
I guess when people buy a non-microsoft product, they have no trouble finding the custom install button but when it's an MS product, they become blind can't see the same custom install button.

For example I have office 2007 Ultimate installed. Total space: 600MB. Installed: Everything but groove and the pro version of outlook. HD req on their website claims 2GB needed.
Post edited April 23, 2011 by Kabuto
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predcon: It was terrible. I don't know why I said it.

@lukipela
Here's your "good reason":
I'm a friggin' surgeon. I make ~$200,000 a year (before taxes). I could afford to fund a whole classroom's license for MS-Office if I wanted to. MS-Office is as bloated as the guy that keeps pushing it on TV (or used to. Whatever happened to him?). I like Open Office because it's lean and doesn't make me add anything I don't want to add. 400MB for OO as opposed to 3GB for MSO2010? Yes sir, that's for me.
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Kabuto: I guess when people buy a non-microsoft product, they have no trouble finding the custom install button but when it's an MS product, they become blind can't see the same custom install button.

For example I have office 2007 installed. Total space: 600MB. Installed: Everything but groove and the pro version of outlook.
I'll concede that Offices 2003 through 2007 were fine. But it weren't just the options "at installation" that were the problem. It became more and more of a memory hog, and there were incrementally larger "Security" and "Invulnerability" patches from Windows Update. Stuff like that.
Post edited April 23, 2011 by predcon
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Kabuto: I guess when people buy a non-microsoft product, they have no trouble finding the custom install button but when it's an MS product, they become blind can't see the same custom install button.

For example I have office 2007 installed. Total space: 600MB. Installed: Everything but groove and the pro version of outlook.
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predcon: I'll concede that Offices 2003 through 2007 were fine. But it weren't just the options "at installation" that were the problem. It became more and more of a memory hog, and there were incrementally larger "Security" and "Invulnerability" patches from Windows Update. Stuff like that.
I still get all those service pack and security updates for 2007. Some even add in new features. My 600mb quote is the current size even after receiving patches and service pack updates for a year and a half. I haven't noticed a performance drop.
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predcon: I'll concede that Offices 2003 through 2007 were fine. But it weren't just the options "at installation" that were the problem. It became more and more of a memory hog, and there were incrementally larger "Security" and "Invulnerability" patches from Windows Update. Stuff like that.
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Kabuto: I still get all those service pack and security updates for 2007. Some even add in new features. My 600mb quote is the current size even after receiving patches and service pack updates for a year and a half. I haven't noticed a performance drop.
Well bully for you. I didn't think MS would have kept up support for 2007 this long. They'll probably drop it by 2013.
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Kabuto: I still get all those service pack and security updates for 2007. Some even add in new features. My 600mb quote is the current size even after receiving patches and service pack updates for a year and a half. I haven't noticed a performance drop.
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predcon: Well bully for you. I didn't think MS would have kept up support for 2007 this long. They'll probably drop it by 2013.
I think 2003 is still supported, or its support died last year. 2007 will be alive until at least 2015, that's for sure.

EDIT: Free or not, you can't really compare LO with Office. ;)

EDIT2: Oh and the very thought of LO requiring Java is a BIG turn off. ;)
Post edited April 23, 2011 by KavazovAngel
Lol, "One out of X doctors recommend Open Office". Ha!