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Posted August 23, 2013
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jjsimp: What's this someone from the old world that is pro Death Penalty? You don't see that everyday.
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Nirth: When it comes to serial murderers, yes. We don't have the resources yet to redeem people like that which is the only argument to help criminals. Punishment is useless from a society's perspective, at least in a civilized one. Taking their lives is a precaution to save others, nothing else.
They can be simply locked away for good. That'd be precaution enough. Killing them is more about punishment, satisfaction and revenge.
Posted August 23, 2013
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DeMignon: Well, I wouldn't call a life sentence exceptional respect for the convict, but in someways also the offender is to be treated respectfully, no matter who.
Yes, that's why I'm against unfair treatment or torture regardless of the crime committed, but capital punishment with severe criminals is likely necessary. I'm not saying I've the answers, just that that's how I view this topic with the resources we have today.
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DeMignon: They can be simply locked away for good. That'd be precaution enough. Killing them is more about punishment, satisfaction and revenge.
If we lock them away we're slowly killing them anyway so why is that more humane exactly? It's not an argument to pretend to keep them alive only because they're alive when in fact, they're just existing in some deep hole. That sounds like to me that we're afraid of doing something that is hard but necessary to achieve an important goal.
Post edited August 23, 2013 by Nirth
Posted August 23, 2013
I'm not saying, I'm against punishment and you're right pointing out the severe condition of a life sentence. This is indeed a difficult topic and in my eyes there's no clear pro and contra.

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Nirth: That sounds like to me that we're afraid of doing something that is hard but necessary to achieve an important goal.
It sounds like that, but it isn't. I neither see the necessity nor the important goal. But maybe rather in showing respect for life. Children growing up in a society, where nobody should be killed, even by the state, will have a certain ethos, I find appealing.
Post edited August 23, 2013 by DeMignon
Posted August 23, 2013
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DeMignon: I'm not saying, I'm against punishment and you're right pointing out the severe condition of a life sentence. This is indeed a difficult topic and in my eyes there's no clear pro and contra.
I agree.

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DeMignon: It sounds like that, but it isn't. I don't see neither the necessity nor the important goal. Showing respect for life maybe is.
The important goal is safe guarding lives without condoning to inhumane behaviour such as torture or throwing a criminal into a small box he may never come out of, only giving him nutrition to sustain his or her static life.

As for showing life respect, I find safe guarding potential lives a serial killer may take is respect enough. There's also this argument against the criminals who take lives that they have evolved to something different than humans e.g they have different laws (sort of how we deal with terrorists) but that one specifically I don't personally agree with but it's still there and I find a part of it important.
Post edited August 23, 2013 by Nirth
Posted August 23, 2013
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Nirth: As for showing life respect, I find safe guarding potential lives a serial killer may take is respect enough.
But they will never be at large, anyway.

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Nirth: It's also this argument against the criminals who take lives that they have evolved to something different than humans e.g they have different laws (sort of how we deal with terrorists) but that one specifically I don't personally agree with but it's still there and I find a part of it important.
.. and I've to disagree completely. Denying those specific criminals humanity is very dangerous. If you deny humanity to anyone, it becomes possible, which I decline, like a lot of constitutions as well as human rights do.

I know, after all this mambo jumbo about values, society and so on, this stale feeling stays, that they still deserve it. I have no answer to that.
Post edited August 23, 2013 by DeMignon
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