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Posted March 15, 2014
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spindown: "Terrorist scum" haha.
No, he meant Rebel scum. How do they even dare to attack the Empire?
Post edited March 15, 2014 by viperfdl
Posted March 15, 2014
Are we sure TET is really at GDC this week?
Maybe they got him! :P

Edit: On a serious note, Wishbone is absolutely right, this is an inconvenience, NOT a terrorist attack.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by donsanderson
Posted March 15, 2014
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Protoss: There was a DDOS attack a few days ago against EA and Valve, led by a terroristic group that called themselves something like Derp. They announced the attacks on Twitter.

Since I don't have Twitter, I hope they can somehow read this here.

There's even a Wikipedia article about those cyber terrorists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derp_%28hacker_group%29
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Wishbone: Ah, I see.

Can we maybe try not to overdramatize this by equating people who shut down a gaming service momentarily with people who permanently kill and maim other people? Calling a DDOS attack on Steam "terrorism" seems horribly belittling to people whose lives have been affected by actual terrorism.

"I've been the victim of a terrorist attack!" - "Oh my god, what happened to you?" - "I couldn't play TF2 for a couple of hours!"

Try to use a little fucking perspective, will you?
I approve of this aggression. Though I've still no idea why this comment has been targetted at us - we didn't do it! May as well post the statement on mumsnet for all the good it will do.
Posted March 15, 2014
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wpegg: I think his point is - why are you suggesting this was anyhing to do with anyone here?
I guess no one in the shopping mall seemed to care about his educational speech so he had to try his luck elsewhere. Who'd have thought that finding terrorist hackers would turn out to be so hard?
Posted March 15, 2014

Terrorism is the systematic use of violence (terror) as a means of coercion for political purposes.
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Shaolin_sKunk: Yeah. No.
C'mon, that's just nit-picking - who cares about these delicate distinctions! In a world where the German populace is oppressed by a dictorial regime, hacker attacks on EA and Valve are the new terrorist threat. ;)
Posted March 15, 2014
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Leroux: In a world where the German populace is oppressed by a dictorial regime,
Jesus, Germans are being oppressed by illiterates? Talk about a return to our roots of oral tradition. Gutenberg does not approve. :/

::wharrgarbl::
Posted March 15, 2014
Oh, come on guys, lighten up a bit. He's not addressing the message to GOGers in general. It's obviously a "venting steam" post, and who here hasn't vented a bit on the forums about something before?

And the hacking could be considered a light form of terrorism. If someone blew up a bridge, or even caused section of road or other infrastructure to be temporarily unusable, for the sake of a political or social point, you'd probably call it terrorism even if no one were directly physically harmed. At the very least, it's certainly a crime. You can't call it simple protest with a straight face.

Anyway... just wanted to inject a bit of sanity before the derep squad decides to "protest" his post. ;)
Post edited March 15, 2014 by SeduceMePlz
Posted March 15, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: Oh, come on guys, lighten up a bit. He's not addressing the message to GOGers in general. It's obviously a "venting steam" post, and who here hasn't vented a bit on the forums about something before?

And the hacking could be considered a light form of terrorism. If someone blew up a bridge, or even caused section of road or other infrastructure to be temporarily unusable, to prove a political or social point, you'd probably call it terrorism even if no one were directly physically harmed. At the very least, it's certainly a crime. You can't call it simple protest with a straight face.

Anyway... just wanted to inject a bit of sanity before the derep squad decides to "protest" his post. ;)
Well, hopefully I can inject a comment before the rest, but the suggestion of such a thing as "terrorism Lite" is going to piss people off.
Posted March 15, 2014

Terrorism is the systematic use of violence (terror) as a means of coercion for political purposes.
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Shaolin_sKunk: Yeah. No.
Looks the word replaced 'commie' as a synonym of 'someone we shouldn't like' :)
Posted March 15, 2014
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wpegg: Well, hopefully I can inject a comment before the rest, but the suggestion of such a thing as "terrorism Lite" is going to piss people off.
I (and the OP) aren't trying to offend anyone or belittle greater crimes. But governments do call it "cyber-terrorism" after all. Not that governments are always or even often right, of course. ;)

I just meant: Let's have a bit of understanding. It's not like he's a first-post troll.
Posted March 15, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: And the hacking could be considered a light form of terrorism. If someone blew up a bridge,
Using the NSA's definition, eh? The key word you have there is "blew up", I don't think anyone's going to argue that's not violent.

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SeduceMePlz: or even caused section of road or other infrastructure to be temporarily unusable, to prove a political or social point, you'd probably call it terrorism even if no one were directly physically harmed. At the very least, it's certainly a crime. You can't call it simple protest with a straight face.
Actually, yes I can, what do you think the sit-ins of the civil rights movement was all about? Sitting in a park not disturbing anybody? One thing it surely was not was terrorism. It is a non-violent form of protest, not terrorism.

And defining that as a crime? Woah, buddy, you seriously need to consider the implications of calling a first amendment right a crime.
Posted March 15, 2014
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Shaolin_sKunk: Using the NSA's definition, eh? The key word you have there is "blew up", I don't think anyone's going to argue that's not violent.
I'm pretty sure "violence" requires a living recipient. Property crime is a bit different from violent crime, tho both could be considered terrorism under some circumstances. But I don't want to argue semantics with you all night...

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Shaolin_sKunk: Actually, yes I can, what do you think the sit-ins of the civil rights movement was all about? Sitting in a park not disturbing anybody? One thing it surely was not was terrorism. It is a non-violent form of protest, not terrorism.

And defining that as a crime? Woah, buddy, you seriously need to consider the implications of calling a first amendment right a crime.
Did the sit-ins include violence against persons or property crimes?

Anyway... Do we really need to argue this?

Edit: Oops, messed up the quotes.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by SeduceMePlz
Posted March 15, 2014
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Leroux: In a world where the German populace is oppressed by a dictorial regime,
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OneFiercePuppy: Jesus, Germans are being oppressed by illiterates? Talk about a return to our roots of oral tradition. Gutenberg does not approve. :/

::wharrgarbl::
I'm sorry, I can't help it, certain syllables are region restricted over here, we only have access to the low violence version of the words. ;)
Posted March 15, 2014
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Protoss: If you attack the servers of Valve and EA, you hurt the customers more than the companies. Think about it before you hack again! Also, there could be legal obligations from this to the customers as well, this could be very expensive for you, and they WILL catch you sooner or later!
EA doesn't have customers, only victims.
Posted March 15, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: And the hacking could be considered a light form of terrorism. If someone blew up a bridge,
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Shaolin_sKunk: Using the NSA's definition, eh? The key word you have there is "blew up", I don't think anyone's going to argue that's not violent.

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SeduceMePlz: or even caused section of road or other infrastructure to be temporarily unusable, to prove a political or social point, you'd probably call it terrorism even if no one were directly physically harmed. At the very least, it's certainly a crime. You can't call it simple protest with a straight face.
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Shaolin_sKunk: Actually, yes I can, what do you think the sit-ins of the civil rights movement was all about? Sitting in a park not disturbing anybody? One thing it surely was not was terrorism. It is a non-violent form of protest, not terrorism.

And defining that as a crime? Woah, buddy, you seriously need to consider the implications of calling a first amendment right a crime.
not sure you can call it "a protest" when it was "for the lulz". A prank, maybe? Some mischief? Juvenile Delinquency?
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