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Weclock: That is all there is to it, I didn't say this guy was a saint, I said that abuse is unnecessary, if he didn't like the damn cat, he should have considered finding someone else to take care of it until his room mate returned.

Which is what a right-minded, mostly harmless person would have done. He, however, is clearly violent and a can short of a six pack.
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anjohl: When you look at things from a darwinian POV, it actually makes a lot more sense for the average human to care more about their dog than let's say...someone from Zaire.

well duh, I can completely understand that particular lady who loves her cat being outraged by it, but I don't understand why anybody else gives a shit.
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anjohl: Call it a hunch, but I think the mystery of human-pet relations is approached in degree by the mystery of Dolphins. I don't know about anyone else...but those guys are hiding something. I am not nessasarily willing to go as far as Douglas Adams here, but they spend their entire day frolicking, having sex, and when an oppurtunity arises, helping lost humans. Those buggers have something special that we have no idea about.

We over-complicate things. Rather than enjoy life we entangle ourselves in a web of our own creation. We're obsessed with 'progress' yet we know not in what direction. Layer upon layer of bullshit all requiring our unswerving belief in it for fear that it could collapse the moment we lose faith. In short, we're intelligent enough only to screw ourselves over.
It's no surprise that we invented the finger trap.
Dolphins don't have that problem.
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Weclock: well duh, I can completely understand that particular lady who loves her cat being outraged by it, but I don't understand why anybody else gives a shit.

Because it's not rational human behaviour and surely has nothing to do with what we call common sense? If you wouldn't mind having him around as a neighbor or a room mate, your free to make him an offer.....
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Weclock: well duh, I can completely understand that particular lady who loves her cat being outraged by it, but I don't understand why anybody else gives a shit.

Because many people hate all forms of stupidity and cruelty...
Post edited October 19, 2009 by Namur
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anjohl: Call it a hunch, but I think the mystery of human-pet relations is approached in degree by the mystery of Dolphins. I don't know about anyone else...but those guys are hiding something. I am not nessasarily willing to go as far as Douglas Adams here, but they spend their entire day frolicking, having sex, and when an oppurtunity arises, helping lost humans. Those buggers have something special that we have no idea about.
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Navagon: We over-complicate things. Rather than enjoy life we entangle ourselves in a web of our own creation. We're obsessed with 'progress' yet we know not in what direction. Layer upon layer of bullshit all requiring our unswerving belief in it for fear that it could collapse the moment we lose faith. In short, we're intelligent enough only to screw ourselves over.
It's no surprise that we invented the finger trap.
Dolphins don't have that problem.

I was thinking the exact same thing last night while I was watching a program about torture devices "inspiring" modern technology. The particular device was a turning crank that wound someone's intestines up and around a spindle.
*Anyone* that would do that to another person for *any* reason is a wretched, despicable creature. Yes, monkeys will savagely beat a rival to death, often in gang-style killings, but they would never restrain someone and kill them excruciatingly slow.
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Navagon: It's no surprise that we invented the finger trap.
Dolphins don't have that problem.

Naturally. Dolphins don't have fingers. :)
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anjohl: I was thinking the exact same thing last night while I was watching a program about torture devices "inspiring" modern technology. The particular device was a turning crank that wound someone's intestines up and around a spindle.
*Anyone* that would do that to another person for *any* reason is a wretched, despicable creature. Yes, monkeys will savagely beat a rival to death, often in gang-style killings, but they would never restrain someone and kill them excruciatingly slow.

To a lesser extent, I find the same to be true of the death penalty. To set a date of execution some years away that the inmate is fully aware of, make them choose the means of execution and then in the most cold and calculated manner possible, kill them. That seems far worse than what they're actually punishing (most of the time). At the very least its a hypocrisy.
For this to be the solution sought by a supposedly rational society for its more extreme problems does show up the negative aspects of human nature far worse than any sudden act of brutality in the heat of the moment.
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ZamFear: Naturally. Dolphins don't have fingers. :)

LOL
Post edited October 19, 2009 by Navagon
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anjohl: I was thinking the exact same thing last night while I was watching a program about torture devices "inspiring" modern technology. The particular device was a turning crank that wound someone's intestines up and around a spindle.
*Anyone* that would do that to another person for *any* reason is a wretched, despicable creature. Yes, monkeys will savagely beat a rival to death, often in gang-style killings, but they would never restrain someone and kill them excruciatingly slow.
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Navagon: To a lesser extent, I find the same to be true of the death penalty. To set a date of execution some years away that the inmate is fully aware of, make them choose the means of execution and then in the most cold and calculated manner possible, kill them. That seems far worse than what they're actually punishing (most of the time). At the very least its a hypocrisy.
For this to be the solution sought by a supposedly rational society for its more extreme problems does show up the negative aspects of human nature far worse than any sudden act of brutality in the heat of the moment.
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ZamFear: Naturally. Dolphins don't have fingers. :)

LOL

I laughed at the last part too!
But seriously, my problem with the death penalty is twofold, though I *am* a supporter of it's limited use.
Firstly, if you are going to give someone the death penalty, the appeal process should be rapid, and if failed, the prisoner should be killed rapidly. I think a legislated maximum death row stay shoudl be imposed to FORCE the courts to work out the appeals and such faster. IE, if you put someone on death row for a year and they are not executed, they get downgraded (upgraded?) to a life senteance, with or without eligibility of parole, depending on the crime.
Secondly, the death penalty is problematic because of the nature of our criminal justice system. Several high-profile cases exist in Canadian law where persons were wrongly imprisoned for life, who were later exonerated. The primary goal of the justice system should be to only imprison the guilty, which is the true purpose of "innocent until PROVEN guilty". Unfortunately, due in part to the 80's "conservative triangle" of Thatcher, Reagan, and Mulrooney, the public has this perception that crime is about "making them pay" and that "tough senteances" will stop crime, which is utter rubbish.
The sole existance of the criminal justice system is to protect society by incarnerating where nessasary, and rehabilitating where possible an offender in order to protect and serve both the public and the offender.
Man, I would love to get my hands on that person and do to him what he did to that animal. The punishment for animal abuse should be having the same abuse that you perpetrated upon the unfortunate animal happen to you.
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JudasIscariot: Man, I would love to get my hands on that person and do to him what he did to that animal. The punishment for animal abuse should be having the same abuse that you perpetrated upon the unfortunate animal happen to you.

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.
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anjohl: <snip>

A heavily revised death penalty may be viable. But first we would have to look towards overhauling the entire judicial system to ensure that it was adequate enough to support it. As it stands, there simply isn't a system in the world foolproof enough to ensure that only the guilty and the truly deserving are dealt with that way.
Post edited October 19, 2009 by Navagon
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Weclock: well duh, I can completely understand that particular lady who loves her cat being outraged by it, but I don't understand why anybody else gives a shit.

For fucks sake, Weclock, that's so dumb I don't know what to say.
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JudasIscariot: Man, I would love to get my hands on that person and do to him what he did to that animal. The punishment for animal abuse should be having the same abuse that you perpetrated upon the unfortunate animal happen to you.
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Navagon: An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.

But then we would have to rely on echolocation... just like dolphins!
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Weclock: well duh, I can completely understand that particular lady who loves her cat being outraged by it, but I don't understand why anybody else gives a shit.
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Zeewolf: For fucks sake, Weclock, that's so dumb I don't know what to say.
I don't give a shit about that ladies cat, I give a shit that everybody else gives a shit.
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JudasIscariot: Man, I would love to get my hands on that person and do to him what he did to that animal. The punishment for animal abuse should be having the same abuse that you perpetrated upon the unfortunate animal happen to you.
Again, I agree that abuse is wrong, but I don't see why this gets the press
Post edited October 19, 2009 by Weclock
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Zeewolf: For fucks sake, Weclock, that's so dumb I don't know what to say.

I'm hoping this is another drunk thread.
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ceemdee: But then we would have to rely on echolocation... just like dolphins!

I just had a mental image of people walking around with their eyes closed, making dolphin noises. I'm not sure if I'm ready for that yet...
Post edited October 19, 2009 by Navagon