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You are a very unintelligent man Weclock.
Fine - you go care about a black child being raised as a whore while the rest of us care about all living things. I care much more about humans creating problems for other living things than humans creating problems for humans.
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Siannah: It's tasteless, showing shocking behavior, with a cruelty no animal being capable of... in short: everything for a news story is right there.
Which is sad and worthy of another mile-long debate, which you probably wouldn't care about either.

But there are a billion other perfectly fine examples of this kind of cruelty every where, the news is focusing on it because of the horrendous love of cats this society has what with "LOLcats."
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: It's considered newsworthy because the perpetrator hasn't been caught yet. Anyone who would damage an animal like that is a threat to other humans as well.
Hardly.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: It's considered newsworthy because the perpetrator hasn't been caught yet. Anyone who would damage an animal like that is a threat to other humans as well.
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Weclock: Hardly.

Yeah, it's not like there's a proven link between sociopaths and animal abuse.
Oh, wait...
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: It's considered newsworthy because the perpetrator hasn't been caught yet. Anyone who would damage an animal like that is a threat to other humans as well.
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Weclock: Hardly.

A survey of pet-owning families with substantiated child abuse and neglect found that animals were abused in 88 percent of homes where child physical abuse was present (DeViney, Dickert, & Lockwood, 1983). A study of women seeking shelter at a safe house showed that 71 percent of those having pets affirmed that their partner had threatened, hurt or killed their companion animals, and 32 percent of mothers reported that their children had hurt or killed their pets (Ascione, 1998). Still another study showed that violent offenders incarcerated in a maximum security prison were significantly more likely than nonviolent offenders to have committed childhood acts of cruelty toward pets (Merz-Perez, Heide, & Silverman, 2001).
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If you don't think this is newsworthy why are you bringing more attention to it? Shouldn't you post about the real problems in the world?
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ceemdee: If you don't think this is newsworthy why are you bringing more attention to it? Shouldn't you post about the real problems in the world?
because I like argui- discussing current events.
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Weclock: http://imgur.com/1q3xz.jpg
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/man_accused_of_severely_mauling_cat
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9v92q/cat_killer_from_askreddits_roommate_kicked_my_cat/
I hate animals, cats, dogs, whatever, I fucking hate them.
I also fucking hate how in America we have this stigma about treatment of animals.
Pigs, cows, dogs, rats, cats, elephants for fucks sake, all have a personality, and are all intelligent creatures, but why should we kill and eat cows and pigs and not the rest?
This hipocracy is terrible. While I admit this person treating that cat in that manner is entirely unnecessary, I just don't understand why every one should give a damn. We care more about some shit head cat than we do a black child who is being raised as a whore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

A domestic dog gives it's pack leader (owner) unconditional loyalty, devotion, and love. Try getting stuck in the middle of nowhere after a hiking mishap, and having to spend the night shivering with nothing but a backpack, your dog, and your conviction.
You can never understand the relationship between a dog and owner unless you experience it yourself. Not to insult you, because I respect and understand ANYONE that personally dislikes any kind of animal, but since there are so many happy animal owners, there is obviously something you are missing.
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ZamFear: A survey of pet-owning families with substantiated child abuse and neglect found that animals were abused in 88 percent of homes where child physical abuse was present (DeViney, Dickert, & Lockwood, 1983). A study of women seeking shelter at a safe house showed that 71 percent of those having pets affirmed that their partner had threatened, hurt or killed their companion animals, and 32 percent of mothers reported that their children had hurt or killed their pets (Ascione, 1998). Still another study showed that violent offenders incarcerated in a maximum security prison were significantly more likely than nonviolent offenders to have committed childhood acts of cruelty toward pets (Merz-Perez, Heide, & Silverman, 2001).
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regardless, it's not a stone cold fact, the way the argument was presented was that HE IS a threat to other humans, unless PoSSeSSeDCoW happens to know him personally I really don't think he can make an assumption like that.
is it likely that he would hurt other people? it is possible.
is it a fact that he will? no, it is not.
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anjohl: but since there are so many happy animal owners, there is obviously something you are missing.
I've had cats and dogs, and fish and lizards, and what not, but I just really didn't enjoy any of them, and for the most part I found them to create more problems for me than to give me any kind of solace.
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Navagon: That's your choice. As far as I know nobody is forcing you to take care of any animals.
To me, how we treat each other, animals (and to a lesser extent the environment) dictates the kind of people we are. If someone would abuse something so completely defenceless then they deserve to be locked up and kept away from society.

Definitely Navagon. We are the *only* species that will integrate a member of another species into our families, spending valuable effort and resources for protection and comfort of that animal. That is something humanity should be proud of, and it's the closest evidence I have seen in humanity of anything divine.
"I hate animals, cats, dogs, whatever, I fucking hate them"
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" cat got MURDEREDREDREDREDREDR"
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nuff said.
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Lovely thread. Keep 'em coming.
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Weclock: is it likely that he would hurt other people? it is possible.
is it a fact that he will? no, it is not.

That means he is a threat.... a threat is not a confirmed future action.
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Weclock: is it likely that he would hurt other people? it is possible.
is it a fact that he will? no, it is not.

The same slightly flawed *cough* argument could be used for escaped death row inmates. Clearly we shouldn't be concerned about those either.
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Weclock: I've had cats and dogs, and fish and lizards, and what not, but I just really didn't enjoy any of them, and for the most part I found them to create more problems for me than to give me any kind of solace.

So... what exactly? They all deserve to suffer and die? Contrary to the opinions expressed in certain religious texts, other animals aren't our playthings / food. It's not a failure on their part when they don't fulfil that role for you. If you're not interested in them then that should be all there is to it.
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anjohl: Definitely Navagon. We are the *only* species that will integrate a member of another species into our families, spending valuable effort and resources for protection and comfort of that animal. That is something humanity should be proud of, and it's the closest evidence I have seen in humanity of anything divine.

Exactly. Our treatment of animals often shows incredible humanity (for want of a better word). People are quite disproportionately generous to animals, in fact. Something which is demonstrated by the revenue of animal charities compared to their human counterparts. Yet there are always a few cases like this where the contrary is evident in a person. Thankfully such people aren't the norm.
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Navagon: So... what exactly? They all deserve to suffer and die? Contrary to the opinions expressed in certain religious texts, other animals aren't our playthings / food. It's not a failure on their part when they don't fulfil that role for you. If you're not interested in them then that should be all there is to it.
That is all there is to it, I didn't say this guy was a saint, I said that abuse is unnecessary, if he didn't like the damn cat, he should have considered finding someone else to take care of it until his room mate returned.
When you look at things from a darwinian POV, it actually makes a lot more sense for the average human to care more about their dog than let's say...someone from Zaire.
Evolutionarily speaking, the dog definitley creates a mutually beneficial relationship that increases the survival to breeding age of all parties. The person in Zaire offers no tangible benefit.
Many theories of society and civilization have put forth that humans are "unsociably sociable", in that we TOLERATE other people more than anything, and that the natural state of human nature is ambivilence or even apathy towards others for the majority of the time. So, a human-centric perspective on "rights" and "laws" is a ciomplete disingenuinity.
The only reason laws and such exist is because of a selfish desire for property rights and safe passage. There is no altruism in policymaking, since no person would enact a law that disadvantaged them but benefited others.
Humans are far from the loving caring being of the hippie era, but I personally find animal lovers to be *much* closer to that ideal than non-animal lovers.
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Weclock: is it likely that he would hurt other people? it is possible.
is it a fact that he will? no, it is not.
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Navagon: The same slightly flawed *cough* argument could be used for escaped death row inmates. Clearly we shouldn't be concerned about those either.
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Weclock: I've had cats and dogs, and fish and lizards, and what not, but I just really didn't enjoy any of them, and for the most part I found them to create more problems for me than to give me any kind of solace.

So... what exactly? They all deserve to suffer and die? Contrary to the opinions expressed in certain religious texts, other animals aren't our playthings / food. It's not a failure on their part when they don't fulfil that role for you. If you're not interested in them then that should be all there is to it.
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anjohl: Definitely Navagon. We are the *only* species that will integrate a member of another species into our families, spending valuable effort and resources for protection and comfort of that animal. That is something humanity should be proud of, and it's the closest evidence I have seen in humanity of anything divine.

Exactly. Our treatment of animals often shows incredible humanity (for want of a better word). People are quite disproportionately generous to animals, in fact. Something which is demonstrated by the revenue of animal charities compared to their human counterparts. Yet there are always a few cases like this where the contrary is evident in a person. Thankfully such people aren't the norm.

Call it a hunch, but I think the mystery of human-pet relations is approached in degree by the mystery of Dolphins. I don't know about anyone else...but those guys are hiding something. I am not nessasarily willing to go as far as Douglas Adams here, but they spend their entire day frolicking, having sex, and when an oppurtunity arises, helping lost humans. Those buggers have something special that we have no idea about.
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