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HijacK: Your mentality is mathematically incorrect. You include ages long PC exclusives from other console generations, but you compare a single console generation's exclusive to multiple ones.
As for PC, it evolved just as consoles, with new tech, new possibilities arose.
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iippo: ooo, i mean all the consoles. been using C64 -> Amiga -> 286 -> 486 -> pentium era and so forth. Even "back then" you just didnt have stuff like X-wings, Civilization or Steel Panthers on consoles. My friends got nintendos and segas - i was happy with my elitism even back then ;)

And guess what, i can still play any of those good oldies games, even from C64 on my current PC. Can you do same with any console?

As time has gone on the pc überness has only increased. If you compare say 8bit nintendo to xbox one just how much consoles have -truly- evolved? sure you got sweeter graphics and some social things - but pc does it all better.

"What you can do, i can do" sayth PC to consoles ;)

Give me concrete example how any single game that you can play with either, console or computer is better on console vs computer? And Steel Batallion doesnt count. its only one game. unfortunately.
So far you've only given me examples of strategy games are being the reason why PC > consoles. You're also missing a huge point of PC. Haven't it been for Microsoft to make Windows such a free OS, none of those old games would've been playable, so in the end you still have to thank one of the leading console manufacturers today. Second of all, I don't play PC games with a controller. I don't know about others, but if I play PC games, I want k & m. This being said, most adventure games are designed for controllers and the golden age of RPGs for PC is long gone. Personally I play consoles for RPGs and adventure games, the exact type of games that are developed for consoles. I couldn't give 2 shits about sweeter graphics. Graphics are just a nice bonus, but not one that I'm willing to change my tendencies for. And as I have said in a post before, I couldn't give a crap consoles don't have backwards compatibility. If I cared, I wouldn't have gamed on them, obviously.
Not to mention 70% of the AAA games on PC today are just poor ports with nicer graphics, exactly what I am not looking for. I do not play console games because I like the consoles, I like the games better there. Plus, I utterly despise and loathe elitism, hence why I always enjoy to piss of PC gamers with console exclusives when they shove their shit around.
As for PC, I appreciate it for its subgenre of RPG, CRPGs to be more specific. Games like NWN, BG, Gothic etc make PC a nice alternative when I don't want to sit on my bed or couch, but on my desk chair. And of course, I enjoy playing the nice MMOs, but as someone who was born in the late 90s, I couldn't care less about games like those from the Commodore era. I can't even get into the Ultima games that are earlier than 7. So I'm good where I'm standing. having to simply introduce a disk or card into a machine and get 30 minutes to 1 hour of entertainment is what I'm looking for on busy days. This being said, right now I'm in a mood for NWM and some Dishonored, so I'm dabbling what to do.
I love computers, fiddling with them, building them, reconfiguring them. I'm too old, and I grew all the way up without ever learning to use that damned two-handed console controller.

combine the two facts above and you'll understand that I only game on PC.
I play my PC games on my PC and I play my console games on my PC,

nuff said.
Beyond exclusives, I find compatibility and stability is something that may drive me to consoles. I was really interested in the Prototype series, but there is just so much info out there about PC stability issues for the second game that I went ahead and paid more to get an old used copy of the games for my PS3 rather than take the chance that I would be afflicted by said issues.
I play on both console and PC. No preference one way or the other as I get enjoyment out of both and that's the reason I play. If a game is fun I'll play it. Many games I have on both PC and console and don't see much difference in them.
So for me the argument of pc vs console is pointless as both bring me enjoyment and that's what I look for.
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iippo: Anyways, PC has way more "exclusives" than consoles to begin with.
That's not accurate by any means, unless you're counting obscure indie games (since the best indie games almost always make their way into consoles) and MMOs. Or if you're taking into account all the games ever released for PCs and comparing it to a single console generation, which is a ridiculous comparison. And i'm not even considering the quality of these exclusives (i'm pretty sure there isn't one single exclusive PC game released last year that you can compare to The Last of Us, for example, which won most of the GOTY awards last year along with GTA V).

The funny thing about it is that you see PC gamers "begging" for ports all the time, and even go as far as launching online petitions (Halo 3, Red Dead Redemption, Gears of War, GTA V, for example). On the other hand i haven't seen any petitions to bring exclusive PC games to consoles. Go figure. I've seen people "begging" for Ryse on the Dead Rising 3 PC thread on NeoGAF, for fuck's sake. Ryse is a mediocre game at best. Kind of weird for PC gamers to "beg" for ports if the PC "has more exclusives" like you said, don't you think?
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trentonlf: I play on both console and PC. No preference one way or the other as I get enjoyment out of both and that's the reason I play. If a game is fun I'll play it. Many games I have on both PC and console and don't see much difference in them.
So for me the argument of pc vs console is pointless as both bring me enjoyment and that's what I look for.
That's exactly my take on it. I don't care about platforms, if a game is good i will play it if i can, even if it's on iOS/Android. I seriously don't get the "PC x consoles" debate. I don't know why it's so hard to accept that it's just a matter of personal preference.
Post edited June 07, 2014 by Neobr10
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trentonlf: I play on both console and PC. No preference one way or the other as I get enjoyment out of both and that's the reason I play. If a game is fun I'll play it. Many games I have on both PC and console and don't see much difference in them.
So for me the argument of pc vs console is pointless as both bring me enjoyment and that's what I look for.
That's pretty much my mentality, and I too own more than one game on both mediums, but I also have a logic on which I decide on what medium to buy a game if I'm sure i won't buy it more than once. For example, I usually will go with the least buggy version, the one that's more stable, or the version that has extra features, like the Assassin's Creed series had for PS consoles.
I game on PC, consoles, handhelds, mobile stuff. I don't discriminate. Sometimes I facepalm myself at the needles and utterly idiotic hatred people can have on some machines. I seriously think humanity has bigger problems than why don't all devs turn to the PC. Some people have too much time on their hands.
Me?
Being a gamer since a child, I got accustomed to platformers and joysticks, so when I got my first computer, trying to use that new device to move the pointer in the screen was a huge reprogramming. Of course you know what I´m talking about.......the trackball!!...wait mouse you say? what the?!......no no, trackball all the way. I recall using a mouse to control the spaceship from SWIV and it was a pain in the maximus gluteus, I literally had a round table devoted only to move the mouse side to side in all its marvellous diameter.
So after gaming in both consoles and pcs I realized the following:

Platformers ---> Consoles
FPSs ---> PC
Point & Click Adventures---> Need I say more?
Action ---> 50/50
RTS ---> PC
Racing ---> 50/50
Sports ---> Consoles
RPGs ---> Consoles
Simulators ---> PC

...playing Zelda for example, there's something about holding the SNES joystick and just turning the console on and hearing the music introduction that the pc simply lacks, and yes it may be something totally subjective, but, that's why I'd never play Zelda in the PC.
FPS, really, how can people play FPSs with a joystick?! Playing Halo in a console, made me recall the first time I rode a horse. I wanted him to walk forward and he would walk backwards O_O! so I made a move to make him stop, then tried another one to see if he would go forward but he start walking sideways xD. So yeah, it felt just like that.
So I guess to each their own.
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HijacK: So here's my question: Are you someone who games and supports both the console and PC medium, and if yes, how do you decide on which platform you purchase a game?
I make my decision on a case by case basis. I prefer FPS and strategy games on PCs, but if the PC port sucks i'll go for consoles. For action, sports and racing games i prefer consoles. For digital-only games i prefer the PC, because the HD on my consoles are not big enough to hold too many games (250GB on the Xbox 360, 500GB on the Xbox One and 80GB on the PS3) and i trust GOG/Steam/GG more to keep their servers up than Sony or Microsoft.

I also take into account which company made the game. For example, i always go with consoles for Ubisoft games. Ubisoft PC ports are usually REALLY fucked up (Watch Dogs just proved my point yet again). Same goes for Rockstar, especially after the GTA IV fiasco with its horrible optimization and triple DRM (Steamworks + GFWL + Securom + Rockstar Social Club crap). I will give the PC port of LA Noire a chance, though. For EA games it depends on the game. DICE usually makes some pretty good PC ports, so i trust them. Well, Battlefield 4 sucked, but all the platforms had issues, not only the PC. Need for Speed and sports games from EA are out of question on PCs for me.

And i never buy PC ports from japanese publishers (like Dark Souls, for example), because they are usually crap. The only exception is Square Enix because their PC ports from "Eidos games" are usually pretty good.
Post edited June 07, 2014 by Neobr10
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iippo: Anyways, PC has way more "exclusives" than consoles to begin with.
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Neobr10: That's not accurate by any means, unless you're counting obscure indie games (since the best indie games almost always make their way into consoles) and MMOs. Or if you're taking into account all the games ever released for PCs and comparing it to a single console generation, which is a ridiculous comparison.
It doenst matter whether you count one generation or all games ever. The fact remains, PC has way more games to choose from. Way more whole genres to choose from. If youre happy with mostly casual games, party games and traditional AAA games - then I suppose consoles are the way for you.

Is there anything like Galactici Civilizations on consoles? Total War sort of war games? Anything like Steel Panthers? Anything proper HC wargames? Proper air or car simulators? Any realistic sort of FPS like Arma or Red Orchestra? I can answer you - no there isnt and the main reason is that the target audience for consoles isnt all the hot on that sort of games. Also any console game needs to be play the controller - tell me how you play MS Flight Simulator sort of realistic flight sim with just controller - or even separate flight stick?

Then there is the matter of graphical quality and frames per second / resolution - you cant affect any of those on consoles. On PC you can both lower and raise the level depending on your needs. To me this is very important, but ofcourse thats just me.

So to put it simply, in my opinion console game selection is both bit shallow and especially narrow. Fine if you like that sort of games

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Neobr10: And i'm not even considering the quality of these exclusives (i'm pretty sure there isn't one single exclusive PC game released last year that you can compare to The Last of Us, for example, which won most of the GOTY awards last year along with GTA V).
Well if this is your level of understanding on PC games, then i will not argue about it.

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Neobr10: The funny thing about it is that you see PC gamers "begging" for ports all the time, and even go as far as launching online petitions (Halo 3, Red Dead Redemption, Gears of War, GTA V, for example). On the other hand i haven't seen any petitions to bring exclusive PC games to consoles. Go figure. I've seen people "begging" for Ryse on the Dead Rising 3 PC thread on NeoGAF, for fuck's sake. Ryse is a mediocre game at best. Kind of weird for PC gamers to "beg" for ports if the PC "has more exclusives" like you said, don't you think?
So because console owners arent begging to have games like Fallout (the original ones), Baldurs Gate or Witcher for example, does it mean that PC gamers have bad taste or that there are crap load out games already existence that your average casual console player simply isnt aware of and thus cannot "beg"?

There are alot of casual PC players as well and they see the same advertisements as console players. If they see interesting looking console game, then these days i dont see why not port it. Modern consoles run on PC hardware. Seriously, inside they are PC's. Console exclusives are thus these days just marketing limitations to make you buy the inferior hardware to play games, you could just as well play with your desktop.

As i said, i dont care about console exclusive. For every actually good console exclusive there is dozen other good games of same genre on PC waiting to be played. There are way too many good games to be played these days in the first place, so skipping even few good ones doesnt really matter all that much.

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So just to make my point crystal clear:

1. I am not "opposed" to consoles as such - i just see they do not offer ME any real tangible advantage over PC. Not 25 years ago and not today either.

2. If someone wants to play their favorite exclusive game brands on console, thats great! I am not having any less fun because of that - for console plug 'n player who is mainly interested in fast easily accessible fun consoles may very well be the way to go.

3. Playing the same game on PC and console, the PC is objectively superior to console (better controllers, better graphics, faster graphics, moddability etc).
PC gaming suits me fine, there's a few exclusives here and there I would like to play but I'm not going to purchase an entire console for 1 or 2 games. I also opt for emulators for the old ones like SNES, N64 or PS1.

The main reason I don't like consoles is lack of options, customization, big sales and this might not be up-to-date but consoles used to be focused on physical games but that might have changed.
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Nirth: PC gaming suits me fine, there's a few exclusives here and there I would like to play but I'm not going to purchase an entire console for 1 or 2 games. I also opt for emulators for the old ones like SNES, N64 or PS1.

The main reason I don't like consoles is lack of options, customization, big sales and this might not be up-to-date but consoles used to be focused on physical games but that might have changed.
That is entirely wrong. Sales both physically and digitally are everywhere to find for consoles. The problem is Steam was first to the party with this habit and now all the publicity goes to them. Console makers don't bother advertising their sales on every public terminal like Steam does. You go on Amazon on any current gen console and you may get a huge sale. You go on PSN and you may find 20+ titles for 5 each or less. Ni No Kuni was 5$ among other titles a few days ago.
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Neobr10: That's not accurate by any means, unless you're counting obscure indie games (since the best indie games almost always make their way into consoles) and MMOs. Or if you're taking into account all the games ever released for PCs and comparing it to a single console generation, which is a ridiculous comparison.
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iippo: It doenst matter whether you count one generation or all games ever. The fact remains, PC has way more games to choose from. Way more whole genres to choose from. If youre happy with mostly casual games, party games and traditional AAA games - then I suppose consoles are the way for you.

Is there anything like Galactici Civilizations on consoles? Total War sort of war games? Anything like Steel Panthers? Anything proper HC wargames? Proper air or car simulators? Any realistic sort of FPS like Arma or Red Orchestra? I can answer you - no there isnt and the main reason is that the target audience for consoles isnt all the hot on that sort of games. Also any console game needs to be play the controller - tell me how you play MS Flight Simulator sort of realistic flight sim with just controller - or even separate flight stick?

Then there is the matter of graphical quality and frames per second / resolution - you cant affect any of those on consoles. On PC you can both lower and raise the level depending on your needs. To me this is very important, but ofcourse thats just me.

So to put it simply, in my opinion console game selection is both bit shallow and especially narrow. Fine if you like that sort of games

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Neobr10: And i'm not even considering the quality of these exclusives (i'm pretty sure there isn't one single exclusive PC game released last year that you can compare to The Last of Us, for example, which won most of the GOTY awards last year along with GTA V).
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iippo: Well if this is your level of understanding on PC games, then i will not argue about it.

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Neobr10: The funny thing about it is that you see PC gamers "begging" for ports all the time, and even go as far as launching online petitions (Halo 3, Red Dead Redemption, Gears of War, GTA V, for example). On the other hand i haven't seen any petitions to bring exclusive PC games to consoles. Go figure. I've seen people "begging" for Ryse on the Dead Rising 3 PC thread on NeoGAF, for fuck's sake. Ryse is a mediocre game at best. Kind of weird for PC gamers to "beg" for ports if the PC "has more exclusives" like you said, don't you think?
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iippo: So because console owners arent begging to have games like Fallout (the original ones), Baldurs Gate or Witcher for example, does it mean that PC gamers have bad taste or that there are crap load out games already existence that your average casual console player simply isnt aware of and thus cannot "beg"?

There are alot of casual PC players as well and they see the same advertisements as console players. If they see interesting looking console game, then these days i dont see why not port it. Modern consoles run on PC hardware. Seriously, inside they are PC's. Console exclusives are thus these days just marketing limitations to make you buy the inferior hardware to play games, you could just as well play with your desktop.

As i said, i dont care about console exclusive. For every actually good console exclusive there is dozen other good games of same genre on PC waiting to be played. There are way too many good games to be played these days in the first place, so skipping even few good ones doesnt really matter all that much.

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So just to make my point crystal clear:

1. I am not "opposed" to consoles as such - i just see they do not offer ME any real tangible advantage over PC. Not 25 years ago and not today either.

2. If someone wants to play their favorite exclusive game brands on console, thats great! I am not having any less fun because of that - for console plug 'n player who is mainly interested in fast easily accessible fun consoles may very well be the way to go.

3. Playing the same game on PC and console, the PC is objectively superior to console (better controllers, better graphics, faster graphics, moddability etc).
I don't mean to be rude, but those points are so dumb I won't even bother reading the post.
But please! Entertain me! Are there any Tales of games on PC? Any Star Ocean? Maybe Final Fantasy games that are not almost 20 years old or MMOs. What about Tactics Ogre?
And do yourself a favor, stop mentioning games that come from a genre designed for PC. It's very easy for me to mention JRPGs or any other genre that's weak on PC, like Action Adventure.
Truth is, this wide PC selection of games is entirely subjective. How about you bring me proof of this? I'm fairly bored of listening to mere unproven opinions.
Post edited June 07, 2014 by HijacK
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iippo: It doenst matter whether you count one generation or all games ever. The fact remains, PC has way more games to choose from. Way more whole genres to choose from.
That's not true by any means.

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iippo: If youre happy with mostly casual games, party games and traditional AAA games - then I suppose consoles are the way for you.
Casual games on consoles? That's one of the most ridiculous statements i've read in quite a while. And it's especially surprising considering the fact that mobile and PCs are the platforms with the most casual games. Where exactly can you find those Alawar and Big FIsh casual games? PCs. Those Hidden Object games? PCs. In which platform exactly do you play social FACEBOOK GAMES? Uhhhhh, i don't think these run on consoles. F2P crap? Oh yeah, PCs. MMOs? Hmmm, PCs i guess. MOBAs like Dota 2 and LoL? Guess it.

In which console can you play Candy Crush Saga? I don't think i have ever seen a console version of it, but maybe you can show one to me. I know that you can play it on the PC through Faceook, so, yeah.

Funny thing is that i still haven't seen a Zynga game on consoles. I'm wondering why.

If you're happy with mostly casual games, then you certainly don't want a console.

Well, do be fair the Xbox 360 did have its share of casual games for the Kinect (still can't compare it to the masses of casual games on PCs), but we all know well that the Kinect is dying. Microsoft itself admitted it by taking off the Kinect from the Xbox One.

But please, before posting elitist stuff like "PC gaming is for hardcore gamers, consoles are for casual gamers", do a bit of a research. Even Crosmando has better arguments than that.

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iippo: Is there anything like Galactici Civilizations on consoles? Total War sort of war games? Anything like Steel Panthers? Anything proper HC wargames? Proper air or car simulators? Any realistic sort of FPS like Arma or Red Orchestra? I can answer you - no there isnt and the main reason is that the target audience for consoles isnt all the hot on that sort of games. Also any console game needs to be play the controller - tell me how you play MS Flight Simulator sort of realistic flight sim with just controller - or even separate flight stick?
So, you're asking me why there aren't traditional PC genres on consoles? Oh well, for the same reason why there aren't traditional console genres on PCs, like JRPGs, sports games and action games. Now it's my turn to ask you: where's Persona on PCs? The Tales of Series? Valkyria Chronicles? Final Fantasy? Shin Megami Tensei? Bayonetta? Vanquish? Red Dead Redemption? Kingdom Hearts? Asura's Wrath? Dragon's Dogma?

It's simple: traditional PC genres like strategy games usually don't show up on consoles just like traditional console genres like JRPGs don't usually show up on PCs.

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iippo: On PC you can both lower and raise the level depending on your needs. To me this is very important, but ofcourse thats just me.
To be very honest i would love to have some kind of program that configured games automatically according to my specs. Fine tuning games is a pain in the ass for me. Instead of playing the game i'm stuck trying to find out how to gain more frames without sacrifing image quality too much, and that takes time.

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iippo: So to put it simply, in my opinion console game selection is both bit shallow and especially narrow.
As you admitted yourself, that's your opinion, not a fact.

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iippo: So because console owners arent begging to have games like Fallout (the original ones), Baldurs Gate or Witcher for example, does it mean that PC gamers have bad taste or that there are crap load out games already existence that your average casual console player simply isnt aware of and thus cannot "beg"?
No, my point is that if console exclusive games were so "bad" and "unimportant", the PC Gaming Master Racer wouldn't have to beg for exclusive games from the Dirty Console Peasants. Aren't all that PC games that most amazing things ever? Then why beg? Just forget consoles exist and move on. Maybe PC gamers suffer from lack of good games while console players don't? Who knows?

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iippo: There are alot of casual PC players as well and they see the same advertisements as console players.
Wait, so you're implying that play on consoles are "casual gamers"? Enough with the elitist BS already. I've already proven above that PCs beat consoles by a LONG shot when it comes to casual games.

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iippo: Console exclusives are thus these days just marketing limitations to make you buy the inferior hardware to play games, you could just as well play with your desktop.
"Inferior hardware to play games"? Uhhh, compared to what, exactly? To a U$4000 PC equipped with a GTX Titan? Please, do me a favor and tell me how to build a PC as good as a PS4 or a Xbox One within a U$400 budget.

Pro tip: a pair of 4GB DDR3 sticks already costs U$100 on Newegg. So, yeah, good luck with that.

Pro tip 2: the PS4 has GDDR5 memory, which is much faster than what we currently have for PCs.

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iippo: 3. Playing the same game on PC and console, the PC is objectively superior to console (better controllers, better graphics, faster graphics, moddability etc).
Objectively superior? You mean that dealing with that crappy GTA IV port infested with 3 DRM schemes (which is about to get its multiplayer mode shutdown) is better than the console version? Or games missing content on the PC like Dead Space 2 and Assassin's Creed? Or games that have multiplayer components that will not work on PCs very soon (like Dark SOuls and its GFWL)? Or games that use always-online DRM on PCs and are completely DRM-free on consoles (like D3)? Well, not for me, so i guess it's not as objective as you say.

The fact is that some PC ports are good, others are not. Saying that the PC version is "objectively" superior is stupid, to say the least. We even have some cases here on the forum of PC gamers that left PC gaming because of all the crappy ports and DRM. Just ask Jamyskis about it. Send him a PM.
Post edited June 07, 2014 by Neobr10
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HijacK: That is entirely wrong. Sales both physically and digitally are everywhere to find for consoles. The problem is Steam was first to the party with this habit and now all the publicity goes to them. Console makers don't bother advertising their sales on every public terminal like Steam does. You go on Amazon on any current gen console and you may get a huge sale. You go on PSN and you may find 20+ titles for 5 each or less. Ni No Kuni was 5$ among other titles a few days ago.
I should have specified the combination of digital sales. Is that common on next-gen consoles?
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Nirth: The main reason I don't like consoles is lack of options, customization, big sales and this might not be up-to-date but consoles used to be focused on physical games but that might have changed.
The lack of big sales thing is not true by any means. Things have evolved a lot in the past years and both Microsoft and Sony have sales that are nearly as good as Steam sales. I grabbed Armored Core V the other day for something like U$4. I paid U$2.50 for the PSP version of Persona on the PSN Store.

And for me one of the main advantages of consoles right now is that they give you a choice: you can either buy the digital version or the physical one. On PCs, that choice doesn't exist. There are many games that don't even come out in physical discs anymore, and when they do, they're tied to a client like Steam, Origin and uPlay, which makes the whole physical copy completely useless (since you can't sell it or lend it to another person).