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Posted December 21, 2014
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AnimalMother117: I assumed Microsoft and Sony got in with publishers to not make their consoles backwards compatible (of course, that's not true) so that games like GTA V can come out on consoles one year and then all of a sudden the next year "oh, gee, well it really is better on the new consoles anyway, guys. You should get one there as well." And i would find it very hard to believe if most people on the new consoles didn't already have it on the old ones.
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ThePunishedSnake: Exactly what I thought. Yes, implementing backward compatibility on PS4 means the console would cost more because you need to insert Cell processor on it too, but...I would pay an extra amount of money if this mean having access to my full game library, both physical and digital. Even the cross-buy options...sometime happen, sometime don't.

During 2015 we'll probably see an Uncharted Trilogy too, so another remastered/remake or whatever.
It's a little more than just dropping in a cell processor or emotion engine and calling it a day. You have to worry about all the support electronics those need to interface with as well as the physical layout, heating and cooling issues and hitting an electricity draw goal.

And to the other person yeah the Dark Souls 2 scholars of the first sin thing is a bit crap but From has already said the only part of the update the DX 11 version will have is DX 11 support and an increase to the maximum number of online players in a session.
Posted December 21, 2014
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ThePunishedSnake: Why? Because developers try to sell the same game twice to user fanbase.
Nope. I mean sure, by delaying news about additional ports they may be attempting to get two sales out of the same people but you don't make a port if your goal is to maximize revenue from the same customer base (a more efficient way to achieve that is releasing many versions or additional content on the same platform). The main goal of ports is to expand the customer base. Easy as that.

And sure, there are fanboys of certain games/movies and whatnot who feel the urge to get every version of every product of the franchise or something but that's their problem. Really. So what, people who only play on one platform should boycott the only ports they can play because of a few nuts who own more consoles than they do and also suffer from some sort of disorder? Please.
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Don't forget the excellent Ratchet & Clank, Jak and Daxter and Sly Raccoon collections. They were some of the best re-releases so far.
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RichterSnipes: That's really debatable. I'll give you the Sly Collection, that collection is mostly excellent. Sanzaru was able to treat the three games wonderfully, and I think they also did a fine job on Sly 4.

However, the other two collections have plenty of issues. In some cases it's enough for me to prefer the PS2 versions of them. Yeah, I know that the games in those series' utilized every trick in the book to run as well as they did on the PS2, and that as a result makes it really hard to port them to other systems (or to emulate them, for that matter). But the issues are still great.

The Jak trilogy suffers from cropped widescreen, barely upgraded visuals (I'm pretty sure they're not even at 720p), and a few new glitches. The cropped widescreen is a really bad thing in a platform-heavy game series like Jak, as now jumps are even harder to judge with less on screen at one time. Going by some gameplay footage, there are definitely times where this will become a killer. Sure, unlimited lives does lessen the blow, but it is still unacceptable for a game like this.

The Ratchet and Clank trilogy has a completely opposite set of issues. The graphics were treated wonderfully and the games are in proper widescreen. They even run in 1080p! However, I don't think I've ever seen a set of games as noticeably buggy as these. The music doesn't loop properly. Helmets in the latter two games are the wrong size. Script cues are often incorrectly triggered. At least one character model is mangled to crap. And there's a TON of other things wrong with them. There's a compendium of bugs in them in a forum topic on Insomniac's website. With how they all affect the presentation, I'd rather wait for the day that PCSX2 becomes competent enough to run the trilogy without issues. That, or wait for the day that PS3 emulation gets to a point where the trilogy can be played via it, AND someone bothers to fix all of these issues. Seriously, how does someone get music looping wrong...

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Noticeably buggy? So buggy that I hadn't even noticed?! Buggy is the Splinter cell collection... Devil may cry collection perhaps? Though devil may cry is pants eitherway! :P
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darthspudius: Don't forget the excellent Ratchet & Clank, Jak and Daxter and Sly Raccoon collections. They were some of the best re-releases so far.
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ThePunishedSnake: In fact, as I said, PS2 remasters are okay, since finding those titles is really hard. I'm pissed of when they remade title released like yesterday.
Like? Most re-released have been given a boost in performance for the most part. That is a big deal to the console peasants, they're not use to fast framerates etc. :D
Post edited December 21, 2014 by darthspudius
Posted December 21, 2014
The trend I wish would stop is these "retro" pixelated 8-bit games, I grew up with that shit because those were the best graphics available at the time, I don't want to go back to that shit.

The other thing that needs to stop is Zombie Survival sandbox games.
The market is saturated with them now
Post edited December 21, 2014 by Desjay
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Noticeably buggy? So buggy that I hadn't even noticed?! Buggy is the Splinter cell collection... Devil may cry collection perhaps? Though devil may cry is pants eitherway! :P
What's wrong with the Devil May Cry collection? I'm asking because that's the one I'm currently most interested in. I saw some "meh" reviews but those only seemed to cricitize the games themselves, not the quality of the ports.
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Noticeably buggy? So buggy that I hadn't even noticed?! Buggy is the Splinter cell collection... Devil may cry collection perhaps? Though devil may cry is pants eitherway! :P
I haven't played the Splinter Cell trilogy on PS3 because I don't have it. But yeah, that one would probably take the cake over Ratchet and Clank. It's baffling how much Ubisoft screwed it up (and everything else as of late, but that's another issue all together).

Anybody who plays those games on PS3 will be able to notice the music looping issues at the very least. But yeah, the other issues might just be more benign-feeling to others. I'm just a real stickler for bugs and notice them much more than most people. I'm also more critical of them when they occur in ports/remasters of games. Aren't they supposed to be the definitive editions? Why should they play worse than the originals?
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Noticeably buggy? So buggy that I hadn't even noticed?! Buggy is the Splinter cell collection... Devil may cry collection perhaps? Though devil may cry is pants eitherway! :P
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RichterSnipes: I haven't played the Splinter Cell trilogy on PS3 because I don't have it. But yeah, that one would probably take the cake over Ratchet and Clank. It's baffling how much Ubisoft screwed it up (and everything else as of late, but that's another issue all together).

Anybody who plays those games on PS3 will be able to notice the music looping issues at the very least. But yeah, the other issues might just be more benign-feeling to others. I'm just a real stickler for bugs and notice them much more than most people. I'm also more critical of them when they occur in ports/remasters of games. Aren't they supposed to be the definitive editions? Why should they play worse than the originals?
I honestly have not noticed the music glitch and i'm quite familiar with the games. The framerate of that splinter cell collection is a shame. Why it got released in that state is beyond me. The real sad thing is I have had people arguing that it is the best version of the games to own! :|
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darthspudius: Noticeably buggy? So buggy that I hadn't even noticed?! Buggy is the Splinter cell collection... Devil may cry collection perhaps? Though devil may cry is pants eitherway! :P
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F4LL0UT: What's wrong with the Devil May Cry collection? I'm asking because that's the one I'm currently most interested in. I saw some "meh" reviews but those only seemed to cricitize the games themselves, not the quality of the ports.
Frame rate mostly AND all the other crap that was in the original games as it is. Though if you like the originals (I pity you) it should be fine but the frame rate might take issue. They could of at least gave the games good controls haha.
Post edited December 21, 2014 by darthspudius
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Frame rate mostly AND all the other crap that was in the original games as it is. Though if you like the originals (I pity you) it should be fine but the frame rate might take issue. They could of at least gave the games good controls haha.
The reason I want this particular HD collection is that I like a few other games which are inspired by Devil May Cry and never got to play the originals (only got to play 3 and 4 which had official ports - I kinda enjoyed those but kept being told that the first game is the best in the series). It's ultimately probably more historical interest than anything else, though, so I'm not gonna complain if all the original flaws are still there. Sad to hear that there are framerate issues, though. Oh well, those aren't gonna keep me from buying this colection. Thanks for the input.
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Frame rate mostly AND all the other crap that was in the original games as it is. Though if you like the originals (I pity you) it should be fine but the frame rate might take issue. They could of at least gave the games good controls haha.
I haven't heard of there being any real issues with the DMC collection. Sure, the menus are still in 4:3, but everything else seemed fine from what I've heard. What version are you referring to, BTW? 360 or PS3?

And the series is well-regarded by many, especially 3:SE. It's only a problem if you genuinely like DMC2. :P
Posted December 21, 2014
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darthspudius: Frame rate mostly AND all the other crap that was in the original games as it is. Though if you like the originals (I pity you) it should be fine but the frame rate might take issue. They could of at least gave the games good controls haha.
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RichterSnipes: I haven't heard of there being any real issues with the DMC collection. Sure, the menus are still in 4:3, but everything else seemed fine from what I've heard. What version are you referring to, BTW? 360 or PS3?

And the series is well-regarded by many, especially 3:SE. It's only a problem if you genuinely like DMC2. :P
XBOX 360 version, but alot of those collections got shafted on the xbox.
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darthspudius: Frame rate mostly AND all the other crap that was in the original games as it is. Though if you like the originals (I pity you) it should be fine but the frame rate might take issue. They could of at least gave the games good controls haha.
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F4LL0UT: The reason I want this particular HD collection is that I like a few other games which are inspired by Devil May Cry and never got to play the originals (only got to play 3 and 4 which had official ports - I kinda enjoyed those but kept being told that the first game is the best in the series). It's ultimately probably more historical interest than anything else, though, so I'm not gonna complain if all the original flaws are still there. Sad to hear that there are framerate issues, though. Oh well, those aren't gonna keep me from buying this colection. Thanks for the input.
Personally speaking, I thought the first two were awful BUT if you want to play it then I would get the original and play it on ps2 or epsx2 or whatever the emulator is called. Saying that the PS3 edition might of been patched.
Post edited December 21, 2014 by darthspudius
Posted December 21, 2014
I agree with you. I have the original AND the HD remake versions, of:

1) Baldur's Gate 1 and 2
2) Icewind Dale 1
3) Monkey Island 1
4) Broken Sword 1
5) Broken Sword 2

I found 1 and 2 far worse from their original version. Not out of nostalgia (only), but because they introduced many more (new) bugs, they gave emphasis to better graphics and the MMO approach of update trend (nerfing classes and balancing player/skill interaction/pitting, and even worse removing exploits and glitches from the games, that had been iconic in the past), and they even featured LESS content and options that their predecessors; Yeah, i am still very angry and pretty pissed, that i cannot roll my favorite character in Icewind Dale 1 Remake, the Elf-Druid!

3, 4 and 5, i found them excellent, but that has to be only because they contained the ORIGINAL version, TOO! Should that be absent, then i would be much more skeptical and judgmental.

All in all, i HATE remakes myself. Especially in the case of 1, 2 and 3, i bought them only to express my gratitude to GoG for breaking the fugly steam monopoly and striking a deal to be their distributor too, because i wanted to make my game library complete, and most importantly, because they had been on a SERIOUS, day 1 DISCOUNT. If those merry little coincidences were absent, those titles would have been absent from my collection, too, for real.
Post edited December 21, 2014 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Posted December 21, 2014
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: I agree with you. I have the original AND the HD remake versions, of:

1) Baldur's Gate 1 and 2
2) Icewind Dale 1
3) Monkey Island 1
4) Broken Sword 1
5) Broken Sword 2

I found 1, 2 and 3 far worse from their original version. Not out of nostalgia (only), but because they introduced many more (new) bugs, they gave emphasis to better graphics and the MMO approach of update trend (nerfing classes and balancing player/skill interaction/pitting, and even worse removing exploits and glitches from the games, that had been iconic in the past), and they even featured LESS content and options that their predecessors; Yeah, i am still very angry and pretty pissed, that i cannot roll my favorite character in Icewind Dale 1 Remake, the Elf-Druid!

3, 4 and 5, i found them excellent, but that has to be only because they contained the ORIGINAL version, TOO! Should that be absent, then i would be much more skeptical and judgmental.

All in all, i HATE remakes myself. Especially in the case of 1, 2 and 3, i bought them only to express my gratitude to GoG for breaking the fugly steam monopoly and striking a deal to be their distributor too, because i wanted to make my game library complete, and most importantly, because they had been on a SERIOUS, day 1 DISCOUNT. If those merry little coincidences were absent, those titles would have been absent from my collection, too, for real.
Monkey Island special edition has bugs? Well that is a new one on me. I know it has a couple of things chopped out, one of the reasons being it was just a broken part of the game anyway. But absolutely NOTHING important and/or worthwhile in the game has been edited.
Posted December 21, 2014
Just please, for the love of God, strive to do better than the Silent Hill HD collection.
Posted December 21, 2014
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: I agree with you. I have the original AND the HD remake versions, of:

1) Baldur's Gate 1 and 2
2) Icewind Dale 1
3) Monkey Island 1
4) Broken Sword 1
5) Broken Sword 2

I found 1, 2 and 3 far worse from their original version. Not out of nostalgia (only), but because they introduced many more (new) bugs, they gave emphasis to better graphics and the MMO approach of update trend (nerfing classes and balancing player/skill interaction/pitting, and even worse removing exploits and glitches from the games, that had been iconic in the past), and they even featured LESS content and options that their predecessors; Yeah, i am still very angry and pretty pissed, that i cannot roll my favorite character in Icewind Dale 1 Remake, the Elf-Druid!

3, 4 and 5, i found them excellent, but that has to be only because they contained the ORIGINAL version, TOO! Should that be absent, then i would be much more skeptical and judgmental.

All in all, i HATE remakes myself. Especially in the case of 1, 2 and 3, i bought them only to express my gratitude to GoG for breaking the fugly steam monopoly and striking a deal to be their distributor too, because i wanted to make my game library complete, and most importantly, because they had been on a SERIOUS, day 1 DISCOUNT. If those merry little coincidences were absent, those titles would have been absent from my collection, too, for real.
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darthspudius: Monkey Island special edition has bugs? Well that is a new one on me. I know it has a couple of things chopped out, one of the reasons being it was just a broken part of the game anyway. But absolutely NOTHING important and/or worthwhile in the game has been edited.
Sorry, typo. Now corrected. Monkey island was good.
Posted December 22, 2014
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sauvignon1: Just please, for the love of God, strive to do better than the Silent Hill HD collection.
that is not hard to do
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