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Posted November 23, 2014
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Did anybody else notice that Zombies evolved. Apart from the Walking Dead(which is based on a comic series), in many newer movies the Zombies are portrayed as predators, they are no longer outcasts of hell, but infected by a virus or a chemical experiment gone wrong and move with lightning fast reflexes and speed to get their prey. By that they moved a bit closer to humanity in my opinion. Back then - I'll take Romero's Night of the living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead as example - they were slow moving entities, devoid of all emotions, they moved like snails to get their prey, if it was prey at all. Well when you are already dead I guess, you have all the time of the world.

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Post edited November 24, 2014 by MaGo72
Posted November 23, 2014
GREAT GAME!

Also not in, but...
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MaGo72: Did anybody else notice that Zombies evolved. Apart from the Walking Dead, in many newer movies the Zombies are portrayed as predators, they are no longer outcasts of hell, but infected by a virus or a chemical experiment gone wrong and move with lightning fast reflexes and speed to get their prey. By that they moved a bit closer to humanity in my opinion.
Thats pretty much Danny Boyle's fault with 28 days later - where they weren't zombies at all, merely infected (NO undead there), and soon every zombie flick was copying it. Worked kinda nicely in Dead Island - where ther were different types of zombie. But in film it has certainly been overdone with the "fast zombies", and I myself prefer the undead as they were seen in Dawn of the Dead (and the other initial films) and White Zombie even.

on the other hand, I've nothing against the "fast zombies" - if they are put as "infected" - or mutants, or whatever.

Edit: should put DB didnt do it on purpose and has at time noted regret at how his film changed a great genre it only really intended to fringe upon in the social commentary and satire departments.
Post edited November 23, 2014 by Sachys
Posted November 23, 2014
I'm in. Zombies Must Die!!!
Posted November 23, 2014
For fucks sake! Luring me to read a give away thread by fooling me to believe it's about zombies?! I am totally over everything zombie like so that's so sneaky. Bad you!
Posted November 23, 2014
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Tarm: For fucks sake! Luring me to read a give away thread by fooling me to believe it's about zombies?! I am totally over everything zombie like so that's so sneaky. Bad you!
Aye, sorry for that, I got the idea when I was watching the remake of Dawn of the Dead this evening. :)
Post edited November 23, 2014 by MaGo72
Posted November 23, 2014
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Tarm: For fucks sake! Luring me to read a give away thread by fooling me to believe it's about zombies?! I am totally over everything zombie like so that's so sneaky. Bad you!
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MaGo72: Aye, sorry for that, I got the idea when I was watching the remake of Dawn of the Dead this evening. :)
Aw that's alright then. Barely. The original is way way better and have TRUE zombies. ;)
Posted November 23, 2014
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Sachys: Thats pretty much Danny Boyle's fault with 28 days later - where they weren't zombies at all, merely infected (NO undead there), and soon every zombie flick was copying it.
Not in (my rep wouldn't allow it anyway), and Sachys said pretty much what I was thinking. +1 to you for the giveaway.
Posted November 23, 2014
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Great GA MaGo72.. I have to say that Zafehouse Diaries is a very good game. +1

Regarding the zombies, i prefer the Dawn of the Dead type over the "athlete" model. As to why they changed to the newer althete models, my guess is that it was needed something new in the movies.. Many people got bored from the same old "i-am-zombie-can't-get-my-a$$-to-move-*insertzombietauntshere*" but what about a "WOW-look-at-that-zombie-running-fast-and-wielding-MG43s-in-each-hand-WOW-got-to-see-this"!! Just saying... :D
Posted November 23, 2014
I think I'll play Nazi Zombie Army tomorrow. Best zombie game ever.
Posted November 23, 2014
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I think Zombies evolved because the slow inevitable wave of monsters isn't scary anymore. But imagine a mindless feeding machine that is also tireless, it will prey on you because you are indeed prey. It makes the zombie less of a wandering statue and more of a threat. It basically turned them into human sharks, fast and wanting only to eat. They still have no actual thoughts beyond killing and eating. They now have a better method to achieve their singleminded goal without dipping into the realm of reason too much. They don't use tools or drive cars, they just move faster naturally. Personally it makes the zombie a monster to be feared far more than the shambling wave of death.
Posted November 23, 2014
Romero - I've seen him speak a few times, and he's incredibly entertaining - talks about it as a shift in filmmaking. His movies, he says, are not zombie movies at all. Rather, they are movies that use zombies to examine political points. Night of the Living Dead is about human self-destructive impulses, and the way society seems to provide safety but in fact seals our doom. His slow empty zombies, he points out, are hardly a threat at all. All you need to do to escape them is push them over and walk away. And yet his characters insist on stranding themselves in places from which they can't escape, where they'll be at the mercy of the devouring horde. It's a film about life.

The Crazies is about the Viet Nam War. He was angry at the remake, because they used zombie-like makeup to indicate who had been infected. In the original, and this was his point (again, I have this from George Romero, I'm not theorizing), your friends and neighbors suddenly become insane killers bent on destroying everything, even though they still look just like your friends and neighbors. Dawn of the Dead is about mass consumerism, and how it annihilates culture and individuality. Diary of the Dead is about blogging and the rise of subjective documentary journalism. (That last one kind of bent my head around, but once he said it, I understood what he meant.)

Fast zombies and infected zombies are standard paranoia monster films - the zombie becomes a force, one that can't be stopped, and we must survive against it. You can look at them as disease pictures; in case anyone had any doubts, the ridiculous public responses to the couple of ebola cases we've had in America illustrate clearly that we are, as a nation, terrified of epidemics. Not wary of them, not clear about how to prevent them, but insanely, radically, blitheringly bonkers. The zombies of Walking Dead represent a pandemic, whereas the original zombies, back when the genre was young, were more of a spiritual conundrum.

Oh, um, not in.
Post edited November 23, 2014 by LinustheBold
Posted November 23, 2014
not in, but thanks for your generosity.

I think that the slow moving zomies were freaky back in the day and inherenrtly, people were not scared of them , so the threat of the fast movers...is scarier. I also agree that true undead zombies should be slow ish and mostly devoid of emotion. I have often wondered of the plot element that the zombies eat human flesh or brains, and such but when there are no humans around, they stand dormant or near dormant...makes little sense.
Posted November 23, 2014
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LinustheBold: Romero - I've seen him speak a few times, and he's incredibly entertaining - talks about it as a shift in filmmaking. His movies, he says, are not zombie movies at all. Rather, they are movies that use zombies to examine political points. Night of the Living Dead is about human self-destructive impulses, and the way society seems to provide safety but in fact seals our doom. His slow empty zombies, he points out, are hardly a threat at all. All you need to do to escape them is push them over and walk away. And yet his characters insist on stranding themselves in places from which they can't escape, where they'll be at the mercy of the devouring horde. It's a film about life.

The Crazies is about the Viet Nam War. He was angry at the remake, because they used zombie-like makeup to indicate who had been infected. In the original, and this was his point (again, I have this from George Romero, I'm not theorizing), your friends and neighbors suddenly become insane killers bent on destroying everything, even though they still look just like your friends and neighbors. Dawn of the Dead is about mass consumerism, and how it annihilates culture and individuality. Diary of the Dead is about blogging and the rise of subjective documentary journalism. (That last one kind of bent my head around, but once he said it, I understood what he meant.)

Fast zombies and infected zombies are standard paranoia monster films - the zombie becomes a force, one that can't be stopped, and we must survive against it. You can look at them as disease pictures; in case anyone had any doubts, the ridiculous public responses to the couple of ebola cases we've had in America illustrate clearly that we are, as a nation, terrified of epidemics. Not wary of them, not clear about how to prevent them, but insanely, radically, blitheringly bonkers. The zombies of Walking Dead represent a pandemic, whereas the original zombies, back when the genre was young, were more of a spiritual conundrum.

Oh, um, not in.
Thanks for pointing that out, I read somewhere a long time ago, that he said his films are not horror movies in the first place, but more a politiical, social critic. I found an interview with him here, quite interesting. He says, he stays away from Zombies as long a they are in the pop culture.

An excerpt:
"Being the father of zombies how do you feel about that?

It feels like I don’t have a horse in the race. They asked me to do a couple of episodes of The Walking Dead but I didn’t want to be a part of it. Basically it’s just a soap opera with a zombie occasionally. I always used the zombie as a character for satire or a political criticism and I find that missing in what’s happening now."

Romero Interview
Posted November 23, 2014
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LinustheBold: You can look at them as disease pictures; in case anyone had any doubts, the ridiculous public responses to the couple of ebola cases we've had in America illustrate clearly that we are, as a nation, terrified of epidemics. Not wary of them, not clear about how to prevent them, but insanely, radically, blitheringly bonkers.
http://www.clickhole.com/article/world-alert-has-american-ebola-outbreak-spread-afr-1266
Posted November 23, 2014
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LinustheBold:
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MaGo72: It feels like I don’t have a horse in the race. They asked me to do a couple of episodes of The Walking Dead but I didn’t want to be a part of it. Basically it’s just a soap opera with a zombie occasionally. I always used the zombie as a character for satire or a political criticism and I find that missing in what’s happening now."

Romero Interview
That's really awesome. I have a whole new level of respect for the film now. You know, I remember taking a film class in college and we watched Romero, and never once did my teacher mention how this was suppose to be a social critic. Now I want my money back.

Oh, not in. Not into the zombie thing.
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