What on earth is wrong with you? He is showing restraint and replying in a polite manner, in that regard is does not matter if he is right or wrong, he at least shows the decency not to throw insults needlessly.

You talk about women being fucked over, but right now you are fucking over someone's opinion, it has no gender but it's still damn important.

Insulting someone really isn't an efficient way of making someone see the 'light'.

No worries, I've been caught by that myself, when I can't recall the specific page I read the first time.

I guess the fact that they're not deemed old enough would even be more of an attraction for them. If this marketing scheme is directed at adults, that's even worse IMO, but to each his own. Not every customer will like this decision, and they might lose some because of it. In that regard I have to say it's actually a bold move of CDP, even if it's one that I personally do not approve of. Luckily I wasn't going to buy TW2 anyway, hehe.

The discussion is kind of pointless among males anyway, I'd be more interested to hear the opinions of some female gamers instead.

Is this not the same argument used by people who are against violence in video games?

For some, it is. I've seen similar things being talked about. I haven't seen nor really looked for information that validated it, though.


And your son probably shouldn't be playing a game with gratuitous violence or be watching someone play them either.

If it does cause harm, then I would agree. And, to be honest, I can't tell one way or the other so I decided a while back to keep my playing to a minimum while he's awake. When he's older, we'll talk about these things. I think you and I would agree that what we see have varying degrees of impact. You can see a nudie and have no reaction. And you can watch Sonic jump on a robot and release a bird without any significant harm. But you can also watch Braveheart and get pissed at imaginary historical figures. Or watch Two Girls and a Cup and wish you had been born blind.

It's important for a consumer to figure out what they can take and what they can't. I know that I can take less than many of my peers say they can take.


so, you are suggesting censoring art.

I'm not against censorship. If a girl meets me for dinner and she's topless, I'm going to ask her to put a top on. If she doesn't, I'm not going to dinner with her.

Same here. If Witcher had a full game without the sexual content, I'd look into getting it. I played the first half hour or so and the violence didn't affect me negatively as best as I could tell.

I should note that I'm against forced censorship. If an agency of some great power told CD Project that they could not under any circumstance put a boob in their game, then I'd think that was a little much. I don't want to see it. But I like my freedom to choose and I'd prefer if others maintain theirs, too.


And reductio ad absurdum

I don't think so. I was illustrating that The Witcher having nudity only affected my desire to purchase it. I'm not saying that it shouldn't or can't exist. The massive afronts to humanity's sexual existence that I mentioned are the things that I think have absolutely no place in the world and should be removed.

Once again, I think that everyone would agree with me that there are degrees of sexual crudeness and that at some degree of crudeness, it shouldn't exist. Everyone just has a different degree they stand on. Mine is probably a little cooler than yours, and I can respect that. Everyone has their limits.

I hope that helped explain me a little better.

Please, stop generalize! Polish people are treating their women very good :)
I don't like Playboy thing neither, but it's game developer, not whole country!

I got blinded by the trends.;(

Ah, war, never been so much fun.. ;P


Anyhow, that too! How many times i've played a game, where a female NPC seduces me, and i can't say no...

It astonishes me that you can massacre entire cities full of people in games but drop in a bit of sex and it's armageddon for children everywhere.

In any GTA game you quickly lose count of the amount of police you can murder (yes murder, C4 under a parked police car) and yet what makes the headlines? Yes the hookers.

Don't even get me started on the media shitstorm caused by a bit of side boob in Mass Effect.

I had had the dubious honor of living in both the US and Germany as an adult. After living in another country, you really see how the moral crusaders have taken a hold of the US. I'll give an example: The German tabloid "Bild Zeitung" has a "Page One Girl" topless at the bottom of the front page. IIRC, the British tabloid "The Sun" features them on Page 3. Since I was working on a military base, the Germans I worked with were told NOT to read Bild on the job, or at least not near US service members. Why? Because US soldiers/spouses were getting offended by it. I knew some Americans that didn't like shopping in German clothing stores because their female mannequins have erect nipples. If you want a good documentary explaining how retarded the moral crusaders in America can be, watch the film "Inside Deep Throat", and watch both the religious right AND feminists come the forefront of the topic of sex in the US.

As far as porn objectifying women, I don't see it, because I'm not objectifying them when I see them. Plus, as others have pointed out, there are plenty of other things that objectify both men and women that are never talked about. The argument of objectifying them is moot, it always boils down to "This is wrong for moral reasons."

ZOMFG Mass Effect is a Porn Simulator! =O

You intrigued me so I ate this up:

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html

It debunks a lot of the porn-makes-society-crap-out links and uses Japan as a case study to validate their point.

In the end, I stil believe that it has a negative impact on me and my marriage, so I'll stay away from it. But this was an interesting read.

But only on women, because man tittays are somehow more pure and innocent to behold.

*Scratches head*

In Rome: Total War the choice to condemn thousands of men, women and children to slavery and death was reduced to a simple case of "If I kill them all, I get more money".

In Birth of the Federation, you were able to obliterate entire planets from orbit, murdering countless billions of innocents.

In Thief, you are encouraged to rob people blind.

In Oblivion, you happily took money to murder otherwise good people.

So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I fail to get worked up over artwork of half-naked women.

The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.

To be honest, I tend to think the Germans go a little overboard in terms of that. Granted I was there very briefly, but what sort of country has topless women advertising phone sex in commercials during cartoons?

There's being prudish and then there's being not prudish enough. I wasn't really there long enough to gauge whether or not it was an accident, and I certainly didn't spend much time watching TV.