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MichaelPalin: Here.

Look, CDProjekt...
2 things:

#1: You may want to mark that link as not safe for work. :D

#2: I'm with you. And I'm sure tons of people are. I was going to get The Witcher b/c I didn't get it the first time around. Now I remember why. It was all of the inappropriate content. And I'll have to speak with my dollars by not buying it.

I hope there's a silent majority behind you. Those who see no problem with the sexual content in mags, fims and games fail to see the real impact.

Hard stats back up the belief that crude sexual content brings tons of societal problems (it's been 10 years since I last did a research paper on it, but I remember a large amount of well-documented research was available from the Focus on the Family group -- I'm sure Google could find some for a reader if they were interested).

And tons of girls who were "not forced" and who do not see it as "demeaning" later change their minds. I can't count the number of interviews I've seen of girls who said that they did it because they felt they had to, that it led to prostitution and that they attempted suicide. The pattern repeats often.

It's not to say that there are no girls at all who don't enjoy it for what it is. Especially the amateurs who just love to show off.

So, in the end, let your dollars show what you believe. If you don't want to see it, don't pay for it. It's a free several countries we live in. And for most of the world, companies and their managers respond to profits, but not moral pleading.
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drmlessgames: Americans are prudes.
What does that make Australia? :)
Playboy has had a "video game women" article every year for like 6 years or something. This is not just about The Witcher and CDP.

Also lighten up, who cares? Yes, women are sometimes objectified. So are men... have you ever watched a soap opera or cologne commercial? Life goes on.
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bevinator: Americans are MUCH more comfortable with blood, gore, and wanton murder than, say, a nipple. Anyone's nipple. Whereas in most of Europe it's the opposite. And then you get a magazine like Playboy that's been pushing the envelope in a variety of different ways for half a century now, doing what it does best.
Self-righteous religious assholes having been ruining it for us immoral heathens for over two hundred years now. They took away our brothels, our booze and our weed, and our comic books. So far we've only gotten two of them back. Legally, anyway.
have got no issues with them using this as long as the content is approved no problems, its for the consumer to decide whats best
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bevinator: Americans are MUCH more comfortable with blood, gore, and wanton murder than, say, a nipple. Anyone's nipple. Whereas in most of Europe it's the opposite. And then you get a magazine like Playboy that's been pushing the envelope in a variety of different ways for half a century now, doing what it does best.

Interestingly enough, immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Playboy was in HUGE demand in the Eastern Bloc. It was like the #2 most desired commodity (after working automobiles).
I don't know about the nipple part. Many an action hero has shot up the place shirtless in our movies.
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bevinator: Americans are MUCH more comfortable with blood, gore, and wanton murder than, say, a nipple. Anyone's nipple. Whereas in most of Europe it's the opposite. And then you get a magazine like Playboy that's been pushing the envelope in a variety of different ways for half a century now, doing what it does best.
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nondeplumage: Self-righteous religious assholes having been ruining it for us immoral heathens for over two hundred years now. They took away our brothels, our booze and our weed, and our comic books. So far we've only gotten two of them back. Legally, anyway.
I love how comic books fits in the same class as booze, weed and brothels.
Yeah, this is an outrage, how dare these people put Triss on the playboy, it totally should have been Shani's granny.
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Tallima: I hope there's a silent majority behind you. Those who see no problem with the sexual content in mags, fims and games fail to see the real impact.
Take your self-righteous shit and shove it back where the sun doesn't shine.
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Tallima: Those who see no problem with the sexual content in mags, fims and games fail to see the real impact.
Then you'd have to assume the same about violence in all those mediums. But violence is allowed, so why not sex / nudity? Just because you don't approve of something, does not make it morally wrong.
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Tallima: I hope there's a silent majority behind you. Those who see no problem with the sexual content in mags, fims and games fail to see the real impact.
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nondeplumage: Take your self-righteous shit and shove it back where the sun doesn't shine.
Hey, there's no need for that. If he refuses to buy a game because he doesn't like its contents, he has every right to do so.
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TheCheese33: Hey, there's no need for that. If he refuses to buy a game because he doesn't like its contents, he has every right to do so.
When it's your own life and your own decisions you're talking about, I could care less. I'm all for live and let live. When it's "fail to see the real impact" then it's trying to worm into someone else's life, and women have been fucked over enough with idiots trying to tell them and any man around what's acceptable for them to do or show or feel.

Jesus, half the guys in games have tits as big as the women, yet who bitches about them going topless in games?
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MichaelPalin: Here.

Look, CDProjekt, I don't have a problem with Geralt being a womanizer. It was ancient times and it fitted the character and the setting. The card collection, well, I wasn't happy with it, because that was taking something that fitted the game and trivializing it, but I could live with it. The same way I could live with the Playboy magazines in Mafia II, they more or less fitted the setting and, damn!, those girls were hot. But this is reaching a point in which I'm not comfortable buying the game anymore. You are obviously using women bodies as simple product to sell. And you have partnered with Playboy, a magazine that has been objectifying women for decades (and is slowly invading the world of video games, by the way).

CDProjekt, please, stop this, don't go this route. I don't know if treating women like this is common in Poland, but we don't need more abuse of the female forms in video games, it's a fucking epidemic already.

I will pass this one, but, if you keep using this kind of advertisement, I will have to revoke my preorder. If you don't respect your female characters, I cannot respect you as developers either. And that would be a shame, you guys used to be cool.

EDIT: And I didn't even remembered the stupid calendar! Seriously, one last chance.
I have to agree with you . I hate when game designers use the Pavlov reflex of teenagers and nerds "OMG boobs !!! " to sell their games .
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Tallima: Those who see no problem with the sexual content in mags, fims and games fail to see the real impact.
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nmillar: Then you'd have to assume the same about violence in all those mediums. But violence is allowed, so why not sex / nudity? Just because you don't approve of something, does not make it morally wrong.
When I did my research paper (I called it "What the Net is Catching"), I focused on porn on the Internet and its affects, most specifically, on married men, rapists and children. At that same time, there just wasn't a lot of sex in games (some, but not like today). But there was tons of violence.

Even so (and now I speak with less information behind my belf), few researchers that I saw were able to find any correlation between violent videogames and violent behavior. That last thing I saw on it said just the opposite and they were theorizing that men in particular like to be violent and it makes us less violent in the real world if we can be violent in a virtual one.

Again, I don't think enough research has been done on the subject.

Sex in games, mags, etc, however, causes arousal. And arousal tends to cause action. Some people are completely inert to it, I think. Some people are less so.

Where I come from for The Witcher is that I don't want my wife to feel insulted by me looking at it. And I don't want my son to think it's okay to look at naked women (or art of them) without thining about it for himself. I think if he saw me playing a game with naked art or sexual scenes, then he would automatically assume that it was okay. And I'd rather wait until he was at an age to understand what he wants to deem appropriate for himself.

I would prefer sex and nudity to be left out of games. Or a full version where it wasn't present -- not an option to turn it off. But that decision would be for my benefit, not others.

I still believe that it's better to leave it out than in. But The Witcher is small potatoes compared to child porn or other avenues of disgusting behavior.
I think the "sex vs. violence" or "different countries, different culture" or "[insert random name of people here] are prude" arguments are all beside the point and just avoiding the issue.

It's one thing whether a game contains nudity and violence and a totally different one when nudity and violence is used to market the game. I bet if they'd put lots of gore on the cover, advertising it as "The game that makes you feel like a serial killer, run amuck and witness gratuitous violence and brutal murder in the most realistic way!", there'd be an outcry, too. ;)

Besides, there's a difference between nudity and sex on the one hand and pornography on the other. And as another pointed out, I don't see the Witcher himself portrayed naked on calendars. (Not that it would be less pornographic.)

You get the feeling they want young males to get excited about the game because of the boobs and not because it's got a good story or gameplay. I can see where MichaelPalin is coming from and people are free to choose not to buy a game if they feel the company isn't taking their product and their customers seriously.

Yeah, I know. Germans are prude, too. :P

(Just as a sidenote, I'm not in favor of censoring and I'm highly suspicious of supposed direct relations between sex and violence in fiction and anti-social or criminal behavior. I'm not even for the abolition of pornography, I couldn't care less. It's just that I buy my games for playing and not for j***ing off. :P )
Post edited April 18, 2011 by Leroux