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GOG.com Implements Court-Required Changes; Uses Geo-IP to Determine Location for Witcher 2 Purchases

If you’ve been paying attention to news about the CD Projekt RED group, you’ve possibly heard that a French court made a judgement about a few things that were in dispute between CD Projekt RED and Namco Bandai Partners. Most of the decision doesn’t influence GOG.com, but one of the rulings from the court does: according to the findings of the court, the method that we have been using to determine what location a game purchaser is located at when they buy a copy of [url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_witcher_2]The Witcher 2 (and, as such, what version and price they are presented with) needs to be changed.

GOG.com has stated for a long time now that we believe that the best security is asking only for the minimum of information that we need to successfully transact business with our customers. Our opinion is still that including things like determining your location via Geo-IP, because there are several possible flaws with that system. However, in order to keep selling The Witcher 2, we will need to implement a Geo-IP based system for determining your location, per the orders of the court.

We will be implementing this system immediately; you will see that your local currency’s price is now featured on the product page when you visit it, based on your IP address. Since we've already announced the price for this game would be the same flat price everywhere during the Holiday Sale (which ends on January 2nd, 2012, at 23:59 EST Time), we’re not going to change the pricing for the Witcher 2 until this sale ends.

We remain committed to user privacy and keeping your information as safe and secure as we can. Further, while your profile’s location is, by order of the court, determined via Geo-IP when you purchase a copy of The Witcher 2, you can still set your country location for the forums as you would like, and your location doesn’t matter for buying any other games on GOG.com.

If you have already purchased your copy of the Witcher 2, we won’t be changing anything on your already-bought copy, just as if you had a boxed copy on a physical shelf instead of a virtual box on your GOG.com shelf.

If you have any questions about this, please feel free to ask it the comments below, or (if you’re a journalist) drop us an email and we’ll get back to you as soon as we can.
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Lovag: Steam already has region locks in place and their conversion ratio is unfair.
erm, every digital distributor does that. and that's because publishers want it. have you never noticed that physical copies have been regionally priced for the last 270 years at least? just because games are now also sold digitally this doesn't simply end.
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adambiser: I don't remember reading this, but I'm curious how this applies to gifting. What if I buy and gift the game (from US) to someone who lives in another region (say Australia)? Do they get the version I paid for or do they get the version that they would get had they bought the game?
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Miaghstir: This is a good question, and I too would like an answer to it. Not that it'd apply to me as I did already buy the game, twice (physical CE, and GOG).

EDIT: That is, if anything has changed since the last time I read an answer to the same question - which said that the receiver would get their applicable version, not the giver's.
That's the answer I expect though I think it sucks in a way because that's not how it would be for a physical item (granted I would have to pay shipping, customs, etc for that, also)
Bummer for people in censorship-heavy countries (I'm in the U.S., so I'm good... for the time being...), but nobody should blame GOG for this. The court orders something, you do it or get shut down. Keep up the good work on everything else, GOG.
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adambiser: That's the answer I expect though I think it sucks in a way because that's not how it would be for a physical item (granted I would have to pay shipping, customs, etc for that, also)
That's also not the way it works for Steam (I cannot speak or other services).
I am fairly sure you can do gifting on this site.

GOG, if a purchaser from a less censored country were to gift this game to a censored country, which copy would they get?
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isisprince:
You can gift on GOG and that's exactly the question that Miaghstir and I are wondering. :)
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grumbel: All I can say to this is: Doesn't bother me, since CD Project started to stop piracy via what is essentially blackmail, they are on my no-buy list. Which is sad, as I really love pretty much everything else they do:

http://kotaku.com/5869908/the-wrong-way-to-stop-video-game-piracy
Sadly... thank you for informing me of this.

I loved GOG and own over 60 games on this site but if they're blackmailing people like this they will no longer receive my business.

Fuck any company that sends out threatening letters demanding a disproportionate amount of money (almost 1000 for a 50 dollar game?) using only IP addresses to decide who to blackmail. It has been proven over and over and over again that IP addresses are a poor and fallible way of Identifying people. Innocent people are now being blackmailed by this company for far more money than any perceived damages can possibly be.

GOG has lost my business.
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Fred_DM: just because games are now also sold digitally this doesn't simply end.
Although maybe it should. The same (physical) store doesn't (generally*) ask for different amounts of money just because you happen to be a resident of another country and is just visiting temporarily. On the same account, a Canadian website storefront shouldn't differentiate between me and an Australian.

*"generally", because there are places where prices aren't set up beforehand, but in those places you can also haggle, which isn't very easy to implement on a website.
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jeffreydean1: I loved GOG and own over 60 games on this site but if they're blackmailing people like this they will no longer receive my business.

Fuck any company that sends out threatening letters demanding a disproportionate amount of money (almost 1000 for a 50 dollar game?)

GOG has lost my business.
GOG is not sending any letters neither does the parent company of GOG. Get your facts straight.
GOG, this isn't a good sign. I won't say it's a bad omen, but it definitely is a bump in the road for us who care.

Take care with new(er) releases, I guess.
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jeffreydean1: I loved GOG and own over 60 games on this site but if they're blackmailing people like this they will no longer receive my business.

Fuck any company that sends out threatening letters demanding a disproportionate amount of money (almost 1000 for a 50 dollar game?)

GOG has lost my business.
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d2t: GOG is not sending any letters neither does the parent company of GOG. Get your facts straight.
Oh? Are you trying to say that CD Projekt has nothing to do with GOG? I think you'll find that YOU are the one that needs to get his facts straight.
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jeffreydean1: Oh? Are you trying to say that CD Projekt has nothing to do with GOG? I think you'll find that YOU are the one that needs to get his facts straight.
CDProjekt that developed TW2 and is supposedly sending these letters is a company independent from GOG. The only thing they have to do is that both these companies are owned by one holding company, just as New Line Cinema, Warner Bros and HBO are owned by Time Warner.

So now tell me, since HBO does send threat letters to people who pirate their shows (feel free to google) are you going to boycott Peter Jackson's Hobbit movie that's produced by New Line? Or maybe the new Batman movie? I'd love to know :D
Post edited December 23, 2011 by d2t
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d2t: So you're saying that you preordered TW2 here to support this and that and now you're filled with regret because of this geo-ip pricing... but during preorder time the pricing here was determined solely by geo-ip! They removed it only for some time and now brought it back due to court ruling.

So basically the situation from your perspective didn't change a thing, yet back in a day you were supporting GOG and now you're filled with regret? Weird...
Just what game are you trying to play here, anyway? They didn't start accepting money until they enacted the scheme that would allow those in regions with a higher price to be compensated in other games from GOG, and then created a work-around by allowing users to set their region manually and avoid censorship and price variances at their own discretion.

It wasn't perfect, and quite frankly I was a little annoyed that they weren't fully in charge of the regional pricing to begin with (I can't blame them for censorship difficulties, though), but they were effectively able to deal with both matters handily at the time that I bought from them, and GOG for all intents and purposes had held true to their aforementioned fundamentals.

It's the fact that they would get involved with Namco-Bandai, and do so prior to establishing any schemes that would ensure an equal experience for all GOG members in the future. The manual location scheme was done long after being in contract with Namco-Bandai, which is something they clearly didn't agree to beforehand and certainly didn't appreciate the effect it had in forcing the versions they published outside of the US to compete with GOG's cheaper pricing. This fact that led to what we're looking at right now.

I'm perfectly justified in my reaction, so why don't you take your instigating elsewhere?


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d2t: GOG is not sending any letters neither does the parent company of GOG. Get your facts straight.
Odd. That seems to completely contradict the Kotaku article, and several other previous articles, that suggest that the creators of The Witcher 2 have been seeking compensation for alleged piracy. Perhaps you're trying to be technical; referring to the fact that CD Projekt and CD Projekt RED haven't sent out any letters, that it was a firm that they hired. Well, that's called "splitting hairs", and it's a matter that involves both GOG and it's parent company. Again, I'd like to know what your aim is, here. It isn't exactly constructive in any way that I can see. Does this trivial factual inaccuracy somehow change matters dramatically? Does it not put GOG's parent company at fault, and by association put GOG themselves into question?
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Fred_DM: [physical retail is the problem, i'm afraid. you can't put boxes and collector's editions on the shelves world-wide without a publisher with massive distribution channels that can move serious volume.
Shelves? What are these shelves of which you speak?
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jeffreydean1: Oh? Are you trying to say that CD Projekt has nothing to do with GOG? I think you'll find that YOU are the one that needs to get his facts straight.
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d2t: CDProjekt that developed TW2 and is supposedly sending these letters is a company independent from GOG. The only thing they have to do is that both these companies are owned by one holding company, just as New Line Cinema, Warner Bros and HBO are owned by Time Warner.

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CDProjekt created and owns GOG. They consistently refer to The Witcher as their game even on the GOG forums.

CDProjekt is sending out these extortion letters. Boycotting GOG due to CDProjekt's despicable actions makes all the sense in the world.

I think you're either confused or being purposefully misleading.

And to play into your irrelevant shunt, I AM boycotting New Line and have been for almost a decade now due to their association with Time Warner. New Line is barely the same studio since purchase. My ex used to work there during the buyout and anyone loyal to the old bosses were thrown out by the new corporate overlords.

Boycotting a company based on the actions of their parent company is the only way to actually boycott the parent company. If you're boycotting Time Warner but still pay money to see New Line flicks, you're NOT boycotting Time Warner now are you?