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Vestin: Some people hate contingency. The idea that there are things they won't be able to predict and analyze probably scares them. In a grotesque way - you can feel safer in a world with a single evil force, rather than innumerable factors, acts, mistakes and calamities.
If your horizons are narrow and your notions clear-cut enough, you just may be able to categorize the entire world with(in) them...
True, seeking enemies while preaching peace and love is the human nature. Boy, we're f'd up. ;) Waking every day, and taking a few deep breaths before even starting to think helps a lot. When i want good/evil, clear enemies, a cause, a sense or a scenario i can predict - i play games. For an uncertain next breath - i choose life. And it's kinda weird, because i have 'control freak' tendencies.;)
Come on! Everyone knows who did 9/11! I mean, they even admitted it!

http://skypotrol.net/2011/02/24/mossads-dancing-israelis-and-a-911-confession-from-mike-harari/
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Protoss: Come on! Everyone knows who did 9/11! I mean, they even admitted it!

http://skypotrol.net/2011/02/24/mossads-dancing-israelis-and-a-911-confession-from-mike-harari/
They have been there to document the event in other words they knew it will happen...
Also notice when the NYPD caught them the bomb sniffing dogs have also shown that explosives have been in the urban moving system bus. More obvious please.....
Bravo dogs Wuff Wuff
Post edited May 28, 2011 by slash11
I no longer argue about these things, I just laugh at all the skeptics and all the shit that they belive. So goes the world... blind, blind everywhere.
Post edited May 28, 2011 by Kyojinmaru
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Protoss: Come on! Everyone knows who did 9/11! I mean, they even admitted it!

http://skypotrol.net/2011/02/24/mossads-dancing-israelis-and-a-911-confession-from-mike-harari/
What a ridiculous joke!!!
The amount of knowledge people seem to know about the things they are ignorant about seems to be oddly inverse to the actual knowledge they have, while perceived knowledge seems to be in direct proportion for the disdain they have of people who actually do know their shit.
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nondeplumage: The amount of knowledge people seem to know about the things they are ignorant about seems to be oddly inverse to the actual knowledge they have, while perceived knowledge seems to be in direct proportion for the disdain they have of people who actually do know their shit.
The only thing we know for certain is that we know nothing for certain.
Also - this.
Fucking material sciences, how do they work?
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orcishgamer: Honestly, who cares whether 9/11 was some big conspiracy or not? Does it really matter if the douchebags who did it weren't the douchebags we're told did it? Does it matter if there were complicit douchebags we don't know about?

NO, IT DOES NOT.

But I'll tell you what does matter, that collectively we all tucked our tails between our legs and transformed into a nation of xenophobic cowards. We cheered as the PATRIOT Act was passed (which ironically got renewed, again this week). We screamed we couldn't go another day without the safety of the TSA. We flew flags to show our solidarity while giving away our most basic freedoms and encouraging each other to "report on" our neighbors. The nation cheered as we marched to war on Iraq. Seriously, wtf?

A very few protested and were squelched as pinko commies and terrorist sympathizers.

I know you were scared for your kids, for your safety. I watched 9/11 on tv with my 3 month old daughter in my arms. So when I tell you FUCK YOU, YOU COWARDS, I have every right. And yes, I am guilty of not protesting loud enough, I didn't lack courage, but I did feel no one was listening.

So that, my fellow GOGers is how the US and that for which it stood crumbled, we finally had to face our fears and we had a collective emotional breakdown. Don't let anyone color it more nicely for you, it's what happened.
I just had to say I agree with what you wrote. But, if there is one silver lining to see, at least Woodrow Wilson wasn't president at the time. Could of been worse.
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orcishgamer: Honestly, who cares whether 9/11 was some big conspiracy or not? Does it really matter if the douchebags who did it weren't the douchebags we're told did it? Does it matter if there were complicit douchebags we don't know about?

NO, IT DOES NOT.

But I'll tell you what does matter, that collectively we all tucked our tails between our legs and transformed into a nation of xenophobic cowards. We cheered as the PATRIOT Act was passed (which ironically got renewed, again this week). We screamed we couldn't go another day without the safety of the TSA. We flew flags to show our solidarity while giving away our most basic freedoms and encouraging each other to "report on" our neighbors. The nation cheered as we marched to war on Iraq. Seriously, wtf?

A very few protested and were squelched as pinko commies and terrorist sympathizers.

I know you were scared for your kids, for your safety. I watched 9/11 on tv with my 3 month old daughter in my arms. So when I tell you FUCK YOU, YOU COWARDS, I have every right. And yes, I am guilty of not protesting loud enough, I didn't lack courage, but I did feel no one was listening.

So that, my fellow GOGers is how the US and that for which it stood crumbled, we finally had to face our fears and we had a collective emotional breakdown. Don't let anyone color it more nicely for you, it's what happened.
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KyleKatarn: I just had to say I agree with what you wrote. But, if there is one silver lining to see, at least Woodrow Wilson wasn't president at the time. Could of been worse.
Thanks man, that made me chuckle:)
@ Lone3wolf

I don't feel Loose Change omitted salient facts. I thought they did their best to be as non-judgemental as possible. Of course, everyone has disagreeing opinions on this, like you & me.

Agreed about eye-witnesses. However, there's plenty of videotape evidence to refresh people's memories, both from networks and people's own cameras who began filming after the 1st tower got hit. Agreed also that courts would rather have 1 piece of irrefutable evidence than 10 eye-witnesses. The official story has yet to provide irrefutable evidence, much like you claim against Loose Change (which never claimed irrefutable evidence IIRC, they juss showed plenty of deep holes in the official story, and circumstantial evidence that shows it was an inside job - I freely admit it's enough to convince me it was an inside job after further studying it for myself).

The experts have disagreed with facts surrounding 9/11/01. It's juss that those who side w/the official story tend to be louder, 1st to debunk Kevin Ryan, and then louder now in the past 6yrs that people have been asking more questions due to Hunter S. Thompson's work (and death), Loose Change and other videos & websites.

Moreover, on the subject of experts, it's worth it to point out that the experts who built the twin towers (and I'm sure those that built Building 7 in its own respect) built them to withstand the impact of Boeing 747's slamming into them. The lead architect declared as much in detail in 9/11/01's aftermath talking about the reasoning behind the reinforced concrete to go w/the steel. Thus more conflicting opinions amongst the experts. This goes even further, as you trust the weblinks you've provided, and I trust ones like www.serendipity.li/ Both websites use math and other wonderful subjects that provide facts that make our stances conflict.

Now of maliciousness, falsehoods, and conspiracy, I'd like to dig in the archives for a minute to show a bit further why the 'circumstantial evidence' was enough to convince me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower This link shows me that Dwight was a 5-star general in the army before serving 2 terms in office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY This link shows me that despite Dwight's power as president *AND* as a very respected army general, there were still a group of powerful people within the gov't, military, and business that worked together, and tried directing him (and most likely sought to overpower as well) for their own agenda against ethics. If not, then why else did he think well enough to warn America, here in his farewell address before JFK took office?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods I reckon my POV on this is quite predictable. Read this for yourself, and draw your own conclusions. I simply would like to reiterate that President JFK shot this proposal down, and will add that the public never knew about this proposal until 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination Till this day, no one knows Lee Harvey Oswald's motive. What's more, he never went to trial, thus there's no burden of proof provided to show if he was or wasn't JFK's killer.

Putting these four links together, that despite Eisenhower being a respected president & army general he still felt America was threatened by the 'Military Industrial Complex,' & JFK shot down a very evil proposal, I think its very fair to put the peices together and strongly suspect that JFK was wacked in vengeance for saying no to Operation Northwoods. 'Circumstantial' of course, but not out of the question, and certainly not something to be mocked (unless of course you're an ass or a troll). This plus Hunter S. Thompson dying after his vehemence against the official story & Bush Admin, and circumstances around Bryan C. Jack's death, the 'circumstantial' evidence provided in Loose Change and other websites and then doing my own homework all were enough for me to conclude for myself that it was an inside job. It's also worth noting that in the past 7yrs since the 9/11 Commission came out, a number of folk who've lost loved ones on 9/11/01 have sought to have the investigation re-opened.

In the end, as I've said before, it all depends on you want to believe. BOTH those who challenge and support the official story are in the same bind, that neither can concretely prove what they believe, as the evidence -the rubble of the twin towers & Building 7- has been taken away from us. That alone is something to think about, given that it was taken before it could & should've been thoroughly analysed as per proper forensic procedure.

I've now said all I have to say on the subject, as I feel any further discussion would eventually result in beating dead horses or pissing contests and other unfruitfulness. I've seen enough wherein I feel constrained in myself to be fully pursuaded that 9/11/01 was an inside job. Your mileage may vary.
Post edited May 29, 2011 by bladeofBG
This post is a self-contradiction.

Everytime I see this thread bumped back to the top, I die a little inside.

2012 Zombie Apocalypse, and the Rapture. The evidence is there, you just have to look at it.

EDIT: Ugh, and now sad for the personal tragedy that is used as fodder.
Post edited May 29, 2011 by strixo
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Danny Jowenko sees wtc 7 collapse for the first time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

Live from 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

There is a BOMB in the building start clearing out
Secondary explosions etc.
There is a secondary DEVICE in the area


9/11 solved in 2 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_Tohrz1Lk

Nano-Thermite presented in Denmark TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irOj1QYjVvc
Post edited May 29, 2011 by slash11
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bladeofBG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods I reckon my POV on this is quite predictable. Read this for yourself, and draw your own conclusions. I simply would like to reiterate that President JFK shot this proposal down, and will add that the public never knew about this proposal until 1997.
Absolutely amazing, thanks for linking that.

Puts a lot of things into perspective.