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Posted May 27, 2011
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cjrgreen: Unlikely that even active duty military would know what cordite smelled like: the stuff is that obsolete. Besides, it's a cliche that is so often abused that it sets off bullshit detectors. People use it just because they heard it in a movie and use it to mean they smelled something acrid. Well, a fire inside a building will throw up thousands of different acrid smells. It's no proof of anything.
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bladeofBG: Your point is now well taken by me.

However, the hit on the Pentagon still has many issues. One is that the lawn didn't have burns, another is that they were picking up debris from the lawn on the same day (that's illegal) and it was caught on camera, and that the hit didn't show any wing damage from the plane, and in pictures of the damage of the same day the rooms around where the projectile hit, there was an office w/a computer that was untouched. That coupled w/the fact that the FBI released debatable pictures 3yrs later, point to the hit being that of a missile instead of a jumbo jet and a cover-up thereafter.
So the evidence of a a missile is that less destruction occurred? How does that make sense?
Post edited May 27, 2011 by Taleroth
Posted May 27, 2011
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cjrgreen: Unlikely that even active duty military would know what cordite smelled like: the stuff is that obsolete. Besides, it's a cliche that is so often abused that it sets off bullshit detectors. People use it just because they heard it in a movie and use it to mean they smelled something acrid. Well, a fire inside a building will throw up thousands of different acrid smells. It's no proof of anything.
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bladeofBG: Your point is now well taken by me.

However, the hit on the Pentagon still has many issues. One is that the lawn didn't have burns, another is that they were picking up debris from the lawn on the same day (that's illegal) and it was caught on camera, and that the hit didn't show any wing damage from the plane, and in pictures of the damage of the same day the rooms around where the projectile hit, there was an office w/a computer that was untouched. That coupled w/the fact that the FBI released debatable pictures 3yrs later, point to the hit being that of a missile instead of a jumbo jet and a cover-up thereafter.
And never forget there are easily over 50 cameras in that area. Where are all the videos ? Obviously they try to hide evidence or they would release them.
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: Your point is now well taken by me.

However, the hit on the Pentagon still has many issues. One is that the lawn didn't have burns, another is that they were picking up debris from the lawn on the same day (that's illegal) and it was caught on camera, and that the hit didn't show any wing damage from the plane, and in pictures of the damage of the same day the rooms around where the projectile hit, there was an office w/a computer that was untouched. That coupled w/the fact that the FBI released debatable pictures 3yrs later, point to the hit being that of a missile instead of a jumbo jet and a cover-up thereafter.
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Taleroth: So the evidence of a a missile is that less destruction occurred? How does that make sense?
B/c if it was jet fuel, everything around where the initial hit happend would've been burned and destroyed.
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: B/c if it was jet fuel, everything around where the initial hit happend would've been burned and destroyed.
And if it was a missle, everything would have been obliterated, including that "untouched" computer.
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: @ Lone3wolf

I have checked it out, and I find it to be lacking. There's also plenty of things not addressed in Loose Change that point to the Bush Admin.

Once again, it all comes down to who you'd rather believe. I'm not at all satisfied w/the official story, and believe that the Bush Admin had alot to gain from 9/11/01. Hunter S. Thompson died sometime after saying the same thing.
The debunking is lacking? O_o
In what way?
The evidence against the "claims" in "Loose Change" is overwhelming, AND verifiable. and that's not enough for your sentiments? It's enough for experts in the fields studied, it's enough for the greater unwashed public. It's enough, except for the fruitcakes, and fringe-society that lurk and post PROVABLE lies on YouTube....

So come on : What exactly would it take to get you to look at the FULL evidence with an open mind? Anything? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?
I'm sorry, but you appear to be digging a hole for yourself, here. Denying reality, and worse.
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: B/c if it was jet fuel, everything around where the initial hit happend would've been burned and destroyed.
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Taleroth: And if it was a missle, everything would have been obliterated, including that "untouched" computer.
Debatable. Loose Change identified that the hit on the Pentagon looked like the missile hit on Slobodan Milosevic's apartment, showing pictures of both. And supposing it wasn't a missile, it still doesn't look like plane hit the Pentagon either.

You can watch the video or others on the 'net that show the holes in the official story. I was thinking this thread would only provide further discussion after folk would bother to see it.
Posted May 27, 2011
Fucking missiles, how do they work?
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: @ Lone3wolf

I have checked it out, and I find it to be lacking. There's also plenty of things not addressed in Loose Change that point to the Bush Admin.

Once again, it all comes down to who you'd rather believe. I'm not at all satisfied w/the official story, and believe that the Bush Admin had alot to gain from 9/11/01. Hunter S. Thompson died sometime after saying the same thing.
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Lone3wolf: The debunking is lacking? O_o
In what way?
The evidence against the "claims" in "Loose Change" is overwhelming, AND verifiable. and that's not enough for your sentiments? It's enough for experts in the fields studied, it's enough for the greater unwashed public. It's enough, except for the fruitcakes, and fringe-society that lurk and post PROVABLE lies on YouTube....

So come on : What exactly would it take to get you to look at the FULL evidence with an open mind? Anything? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?
I'm sorry, but you appear to be digging a hole for yourself, here. Denying reality, and worse.
Why were the surviving firefighters claim's of hearing more explosions -akin to that of controlled demolitions- not taken seriously?

Why the lack of federal investigation of the evidence of insider trading of airline stocks, and other stocks, found in data recovery operations not persued? This even though such evidence shows that people knew something was about to happen, and w/an (electronic) paper trail to follow.

Why wasn't Building 7's fall fully investigated? This with even Donald Rumsfeld still pretending he was unaware of it 9.5yrs later.

Why did the Republicans spend significantly less money on the 9/11 Commission than they did when trying to impeach Clinton?

Why is Osama's connection to the Bush family not fully explored? Why aren't eyebrows raised that Marvin Bush had a high position w/Securacom, which lead the security at Dulles Airport right until Sept 11th 2001?

Why does Bryan C. Jack's death have such incredible circumstances around it?

These are juss some of the questions I have regarding the official story.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by bladeofBG
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: Why were the surviving firefighters claim's of hearing more explosions -akin to that of controlled demolitions- not taken seriously?
Not ignored. Investigated, and more, but found to be unprovable, if not outright opposite what really happened, and could BE proved...
http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm
http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm
Note how they highlight the "Truthers" editing of statements to mislead the readers....
But of course, being a diligent researcher, you DID research the stories and claims.....Didn't you?

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bladeofBG: Why the lack of federal investigation of the evidence of insider trading of airline stocks, and other stocks, found in data recovery operations not persued? This even though such evidence shows that people knew something was about to happen, and w/an (electronic) paper trail to follow.
Again, It WAS investigated :

The volume of trades was not exceptionally high, it was a good idea to sell AAL shares because AAL had just announced a series of bad news, the most likely explanation of the unclaimed $2.5 million is not sinister because if the conspirators were in the U.S. government they could get away with it and no investor would want to have this "blood money", and there are good reasons to doubt the CIA and put options link claim (such as why the alleged conspirators would use a bank that could be easily traced back to them), 9/11 foreknowledge is not the only explanation of UAL put options sales. The claim that trading patterns prove 9/11 foreknowledge is as of yet unsubstantiated and probably never will be.

The 9/11 Commission Report says:
"Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous."
So much for that one.
You SURE you researched this?? O_o


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bladeofBG: Why wasn't Building 7's fall fully investigated? This with even Donald Rumsfeld still pretending he was unaware of it 9.5yrs later.
It was, many times, by many organisations. I've linked a couple here, previously.
As for Rumsfeld....I don't know. I can't answer for him, and I didn't see, or hear, him.
I could probably do a websearch, but frankly, he's American, he's in the government, and I don't credit either with an over-abundance of intellect.
*runs from angry Murkistanis*
It could probably just have been a mis-speak on his part, or some idiot took something out of context (as is usual in Truther claims) and it's spiralled either way.

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bladeofBG: Why did the Republicans spend significantly less money on the 9/11 Commission than they did when trying to impeach Clinton?
I don't know. Ask THEM? They're the ones controlling (or controlled) the budget. Speculation is irrelevant. Needs PROOFS to prove shenanigans, not supposition and mud-slinging.

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bladeofBG: Why is Osama's connection to the Bush family not fully explored? Why aren't eyebrows raised that Marvin Bush had a high position w/Securacom, which lead the security at Dulles Airport right until Sept 11th 2001?
Their funding his Taliban and Al Qaeda throughout the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s? It was. But again, if you'd done the research, you'd know all about the CIA and US Government involvement there. Amirite?

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bladeofBG: Why does Bryan C. Jack's death have such incredible circumstances around it?
This is the guy who was on the plane that hit the Pentagon? You're *seriously* asking about "incredible" circumstances knowing that? lol
Please, enlighten us as the specifics of your "information". Then we'll get to work showing you the real story.

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bladeofBG: These are juss some of the questions I have regarding the official story.
You have questions? That's fine.
Did you ACTUALLY bother to do any research on any of them? At all? Or did you just watch a few YouTube videos made by idiots that also didn't do any research?

I have a video for you! Watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nQ00gSKC0

It shows the absurdity of how *ANY* subject can be made into a conspiracy! Then look at "Loose Change" and laugh at the similarities. O_o

Edit : Missed one about Republicans and budget for investigation. Fixed.
Post edited May 27, 2011 by Lone3wolf
Posted May 27, 2011
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bladeofBG: That coupled w/the fact that the FBI released debatable pictures 3yrs later, point to the hit being that of a missile instead of a jumbo jet and a cover-up thereafter.
So what became of Flight 77 then? The plane, the crew, the passengers?
Posted May 27, 2011
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Arkose: So what became of Flight 77 then? The plane, the crew, the passengers?
Watch Millennium. You have no idea how relevant that movie is to this.

Or rather don't watch the movie. Look it up on Wiki, because it's a terrible movie.
Posted May 27, 2011
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Arkose: So what became of Flight 77 then? The plane, the crew, the passengers?
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nondeplumage: Watch Millennium. You have no idea how relevant that movie is to this.

Or rather don't watch the movie. Look it up on Wiki, because it's a terrible movie.
Yes, it was, wasn't it?
Don't go giving the web-tards ideas!!!

ROFL
Posted May 27, 2011
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Lone3wolf: Don't go giving the web-tards ideas!!!
This thread is so goddamn fucking retarded with stupid notions of idiots who're happier wallowing in their own ignorance that chain smoking future hippie rejects from what should have just been a bad X-Files episode doesn't seem any more out of place.
Posted May 27, 2011
Dur dur dur durr.... lalala...

10 pages in a few hours!?
Posted May 27, 2011
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KavazovAngel: Dur dur dur durr.... lalala...

10 pages in a few hours!?
I know, right? We could be bashing Steam or Games for Windows instead!
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