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SimonG: And valve never tryed any legal BS like CDP did.
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timppu: Somehow, I feel going after the pirates who are not customers at all, is preferable to banning legitime customers from all their Steam games for minor or no TOS offences. Your mileage apparently varies.
You don't get banned for a minor TOS offence. And they don't go after pirates, they go after kids. I've worked in the field. But this is neither here nor there.
Maybe we should just convert the statement of Brad and put it out as a question for everybody to answer:

Brad says, DRM is acceptable as long as you don't really feel it under typical usage conditions (more or less regular internet connection existing). Is this also true for you?

Additional question: If you might have a problem with it, would community features like friends lists or automatic updates change your mind?
Post edited March 08, 2012 by Trilarion
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jamyskis: For every person who says that it "enhances" their gaming experience, I can find five that say that it is unnecessary bloat and a problem.
Have you actually polled everybody who has used steam or something? Where are you getting this ratio from?
Post edited March 08, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Is that recent? I think I had already read that from when Impulse was owned by Stardock. I wonder what good Brad would say now.
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PhoenixWright: The thing is, people use Steam because of the user experience.
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jamyskis: No, they don't. They use Steam because all of the current triple-A titles depend on it, because they've used the friends list functionality on it and because they have large numbers of Steam-only friends and now they're reluctant to start spreading their purchases around and want to keep their friends list in one place.

Not forgetting the achievement junkies out there, those too lazy to download patches, those that feel that driving 10 minutes down the road to buy a game is too much like hard work and those that feel waiting a day for a game to be delivered is an unacceptably long time.

I know very few people who actually praise the user experience of Steam.
This is simply subjective. A large number of us like to use the overlay, going to great-ish lengths to get it to work in non-supported games, and the reasons you so snidely (and arrogantly) dismiss as "silly" on their own are together a very strong argument for Steam, as far as I'm concerned.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by Whitecroc
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Whitecroc: This is simply subjective. A large number of us like to use the overlay, going to great-ish lengths to get it to work in non-supported games, and the reasons you so snidely (and arrogantly) dismiss as "silly" on their own are together a very strong argument for Steam, as far as I'm concerned.
When it boils down to it there's simply no explanation for Steam's userbase except for that people like Steam. I can understand a lot of the arguments in this topic but the general opinion on GOG is certainly not the general opinion at large, and I think that's something that everyone can agree with.
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jamyskis: For every person who says that it "enhances" their gaming experience, I can find five that say that it is unnecessary bloat and a problem.
I will bet you $1000 that you can't.
Does no one remember "Xfire"? It had a lot of what people tout as the "good" features of Steam, without the DRM. Even towards the end of when I was using it (and I left when a lot of people started; MTV's purchase kind of hurt it) they were getting OPTIONAL, OPT-IN-ABLE Steamworks-like things, where games would include the XFire module preemptively for (again, optinal) in-game messaging. It's trivial from that to achievements and that other (to me, useless) crap.

I recall it even had serverfinding/matchmaking, albeit primitive.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by mqstout
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jamyskis: For every person who says that it "enhances" their gaming experience, I can find five that say that it is unnecessary bloat and a problem.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: I will bet you $1000 that you can't.
That depends... do they have to be a different five people every time? :P


Although - come to think of it, I've never once met a person IRL who likes Steam. The scale is "don't care" -> "annoying but tolerable" -> "dislike it but use it anyway for some games" -> "avoid where possible except for Skyrim".
Post edited March 08, 2012 by Barefoot_Monkey
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jamyskis: For every person who says that it "enhances" their gaming experience, I can find five that say that it is unnecessary bloat and a problem.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: I will bet you $1000 that you can't.
pretty sure most people will happily take $100 and say they don't like steam that leaves %500 pure proift
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Barefoot_Monkey: Although - come to think of it, I've never once met a person IRL who likes Steam. The scale is "don't care" -> "annoying but tolerable" -> "dislike it but use it anyway for some games" -> "avoid where possible except for Skyrim".
I like Steam and I know some people IRL who are crazy about Steam. I haven't met anyone in real life who hasn't liked Steam. I think you'll find that the number of PC gamers who like Steam outnumber the number of PC gamers that dislike it.
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meowstef: pretty sure most people will happily take $100 and say they don't like steam that leaves %500 pure proift
Ah, but if I posted a thread on SPUF or reddit I could probably get hundreds of Steam fans expressing their love of Steam with very few dissenting.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by PoSSeSSeDCoW
While I do like Stream for it's ease of use, all you're basically paying for is a license to download and install a game. If Valve ever decides to shut it down or goes out of business, you're pretty much screwed (I take their promise of making your games DRM-free if that ever happens with a grain of salt). With GOG, you can backup the installers, as I had done just before that whole going out of beta PR stunt occurred.

I'm not really worried if legal channels for games expire, piracy has always been there and will always continue to be there to provide games. In the end, I believe it's the responsibility of the gamers to make sure games are still to be acquired. Not that I'm defending piracy, but sometimes it's the only method of acquiring an obscure game.
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jamyskis: For every person who says that it "enhances" their gaming experience, I can find five that say that it is unnecessary bloat and a problem.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: I will bet you $1000 that you can't.
I never see people say it "enhances" anything (it's not a SPAM ad for Viagra, after all). I do see people frequently say, "I don't mind it," and, "I've never had a problem with it."

I always assumed the "No Steam No Sale." crazies were limited to so fan boys on the forums, and even half of those probably bought BF3 anyway.