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Posted April 06, 2012
Basically the assumption has to be made that it's better NOT to give out anything for free, especially things that are known and great...because there will ALWAYS be someone who already has it and feel bad about it...

I mean really...do you also feel ripped off because you bught yoghurt and missed that they were giving away free samples in the store?

But returning on topic, The whole ME3 controversy didn't show the sense of self-entitlement, but more that customers, especially fans don't like being screwed with. Developers rise expectations immensely, they market something grand and then they don't deliver. It can be a bit annoying to say the least.
Too bad that the gaming community doesn't boycott ideas in the gaming industry that are really worth boycotting.
Posted April 06, 2012
In my opinion, the Retake Mass Effect movement is justified, largely because the ending is anything but artistic or enjoyable. On the other paw, GOG gives away free games as they have promised, and they are often pretty cheap in the first place, so people shouldn't be too disappointed.
Posted April 06, 2012
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josiebarrett:
I said it yesterday and I stand by it today. People created these expectations themself. GOG delivered exactly what they promised and didn't do too much fuss about it. One twitter (or facebook, I don't know) message about free game and one post about conference on their site, I don't call it building hype. There was no counter or similar thing. They had to let us now there will be something going on.
People started to be hyped more and more and wild speculations began to grow, based on almost nothing, and soon it was obivous GOG can't deliver what they never promised but what people expected them to deliver.
Posted April 06, 2012
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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it. Diablo III fans complain that the graphics have too much color and put together a petition to have it changed to their liking. Sonic fans who don't like how the latest title controls because it feels different from past iterations. Silent Hill fans have even condemned the latest Vita title before even getting a chance to play it. At some point all of this became something normal and now I don't even think twice when I see stories like this all over the internet, it's become the norm.
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keeveek: Well, they are the customers. We have a saying in Poland "customer is always right". If most of the fans want something to change, you should really consider changing it.

Because it's their money you're after. If they refuse to pay you, you're going bankrupt. Most of the customers are aware of that fact, so they are demanding.

And this is a good thing, in business.

It's a bad thing, when they want something giving nothing in return. They want high salaries, high benefits, high quality life when offering nothing in exchange. And that's true self-entitlement.
^ This. Gamers are a vocal bunch who use the internet as a tool of communication with companies and other groups. The group that will communicate with the companies is the ones that feel cheated. It's up to the developer to say "Hey, maybe we did screw up, lets see if we can find a work-around for the both of us.".

It's the same case with the occupy thing, they want "Self-entitlement.", but instead of crying about how there's no jobs and they want a free living, they should be studying technology or asking businesses to make more jobs (USA Really needs to expand its rural area's, their cities are way too large for constructing more workplaces for jobs)
Posted April 06, 2012
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Vitek: GOG delivered exactly what they promised
*Exactly* what they promised?

Well, technically they promised "something very special for all the PC fans of The Witcher 2 Assassins of Kings, who already have the game". "All .. who already have the game" would include those of us who, you know, bought the game on GOG (of all places), and "something very special" would generally indicate something one doesn't already have...
Posted April 06, 2012
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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it. Diablo III fans complain that the graphics have too much color and put together a petition to have it changed to their liking. Sonic fans who don't like how the latest title controls because it feels different from past iterations. Silent Hill fans have even condemned the latest Vita title before even getting a chance to play it. At some point all of this became something normal and now I don't even think twice when I see stories like this all over the internet, it's become the norm.
It's called feedback and it's a GOOD thing. The problem is that many people do it WRONG.
Posted April 06, 2012
Everybody complaining about the ME3 ending should get together and try to do something worthwhile: Convince Bioware to have Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebotton the Magnificent Bastard in Dragon Age 3.

You can't tell me you wouldn't buy that.
Posted April 06, 2012
I think it's mostly an obstreperous, vocal minority stealing all the air out of the room, and this gives the illusion of mass "whining" and the like. The same way that acrimonious right-wing radio muppets steal all the headlines of political discourse. They create more waves and get more attention.

The great Nixonian "Silent Majority" here are same as they ever were, moderate opinions, moderate criticism, by and large content with GOG's services.

People who have crushing disappointment and are crestfallen that some GOG PR session didn't live up to their expectations, well, I think maybe they should seek fulfillment in a few other places in life besides just GOG. Balance, ya'll.

The only thing I've been really miffed about lately is the hideous revamped news feed on the GOG main page. I can handle all the other changes just fine (even if not all are to my liking), but I SOOOOO preferred a descending list of headlines and news pieces to the brightly-colored pre-school "blocks" sequestered on the right-hand side of the screen. I mean, WTF? It's not more convenient, and it tells me even less than before. Does GOG think internet users can't read anymore?

Nevermind, don't answer that.
Posted April 06, 2012
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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it. Diablo III fans complain that the graphics have too much color and put together a petition to have it changed to their liking. Sonic fans who don't like how the latest title controls because it feels different from past iterations. Silent Hill fans have even condemned the latest Vita title before even getting a chance to play it. At some point all of this became something normal and now I don't even think twice when I see stories like this all over the internet, it's become the norm.

Many of us have gotten to the point where we complain so regularily that it's become as commonplace as breathing. I'm a little afraid of socializing on the internet, chatting about games, because it's become so negative. We can't even talk about the things we love without it becoming a debate. And yesterday, when GOG decided to give away a free game, some people got upset because they had it already. You'd think everyone would be jazzed that one of their favourites was getting out to a wider audience, but then again, hardcore gamers love to exclude outsiders from their past-time.

Where does it all end. Don't some people realize that we're making it hard for people to do their jobs and make a living. I know that we all want our favourite games to be as good as possible and we all want as much as we can get, but when does it become too much? When are people crossing a line?
There's nothing wrong with 'constructive' feedback???.
Maybe its because companies are putting the bottom line more and more instead of making high quality products .ie Mass Effect 3 - making promises and promises (consumer buys the trilogy to keep going with flow of the story) and low and behold at the end, promises are broken?. All i know with Diablo 3 is there are higher priorities (horrible always online bullcrap and auction house crap) than color lol.
Whinging = deciding product is not up to scratch (in our own opinion) and fails the expectations raised.......i guess the feedback in general isnt as constructive as it could be? ;).
Posted April 06, 2012
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QC: ...Monkey Banana Fighter 2 didn't use real bananas...
Gaaaahhhh!!! Why should you ruin my day by posting this!? Aaarrrgggghhhhh!!!

I demand real bananas now! :)
Post edited April 06, 2012 by bsu
Posted April 06, 2012
It's not the moaning I'm sick of seeing, it's the posts that moan about people moaning.. there's too much of THAT going around.

What makes YOUR moan any more palatable that someone elses moan?

You're just moaning all the same, except you think your moan is more rightous, it's not.. it's jusy more moaning.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Tormentfan
Posted April 06, 2012
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Tormentfan: It's not the moaning I'm sick of seeing, it's the posts that moan about people moaning.. there's too much of THAT going around.

What makes YOUR moan any more palatable that someone elses moan?

You're just moaning all the same, except you think your moan is more rightous, it's not.. it's jusy more moaning.
...because Heaven forbid that people point out that the world - and indeed the gaming industry - does not revolve around you.

Much of what you call "moaning" are people who are tired of consumers who act like spoiled five year olds - and there are a lot of them out there. If you don't think that they're there, or if you think that they somehow have a right to act in the way they do, then you haven't worked in the retail or service sector. Believe it or not, there is a difference between acting like a responsible consumer and acting like a child.
Posted April 06, 2012
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brendano: By "lately" I guess I meant this generation. I'd agree that things like this have been normal for a while but perhaps that they have elevated to a new extreme in recent memory.
You must be getting old. Every generation says the latest generation is worse. This is nothing new. At all.

Gamers (and people in general) will bitch and whine about anything and everything. it's not new and it's not going to go away. In terms of gamers, you don't remember gamers whining about how things were changed in numerous Street Fighter versions? People going on and on about how Zelda should NEVER have been made into a 3D game because it's a 2D RPG at heart? How about how Doom 2 was a rip off because it wasn't far enough advanced from Doom 1? People always complain. Get used to it.
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keeveek: Well, they are the customers. We have a saying in Poland "customer is always right". If most of the fans want something to change, you should really consider changing it.

Because it's their money you're after. If they refuse to pay you, you're going bankrupt. Most of the customers are aware of that fact, so they are demanding.

And this is a good thing, in business.

It's a bad thing, when they want something giving nothing in return. They want high salaries, high benefits, high quality life when offering nothing in exchange. And that's true self-entitlement.
And then there's this aspect. Damn right. If people didn't complain and demand things gaming would stagnate.

A great deal of people these days (and here I refer to the phenomena of 'complainers about complainers') seem to have completely forgotten that customers have a right to demand what they want for their money, and to boycott and withhold that money and support if the product they want isn't delivered. This is the very process that drives business to become better, compete, and ultimately ends up with better products.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by jeffreydean1
Posted April 07, 2012
'I want my fantastic uber wonderful perfect Mass Effect 3 ending and i want it now!!'...hahahaha :P
Posted April 07, 2012
Nah, if you are shelling out money you have a right to ask for whatever the hell you want. Do they have to listen? Certainly not, then it falls on the complainer to stop supporting that product with their money.

That's the rub, for me. People need to start taking action to put an end to the publisher consumer raping going on by the likes of EA and Activision. You can bitch and moan all you like, but eventually you have to start backing it up to show you are serious.

As for the saving jobs comment or whatever that was, it's not my responsibility to care about a programmer's income. It may sound callous, but I am too worried about my own income to worry about the income of someone I will likely never meet.
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