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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it.
While i agree to a degree with what you are saying i strongly disagree with your comment about ME3. The ending is clearly a rush job to enable EA/Bio to meet their deadline and is also the polar opposite of what Bioware devs and execs repeatedly promised they would do.
Yeah I missed the Broken Sword freebie too, but I never complained. While there certainly is an amount of entitlement-tude going on, it's not really anything out of the ordinary. I've seen people griping at the grocery store because none of the in-store coupons that day were for anything they ever used.

People just get weird about free stuff.
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SimonG: So, who is going to take the bet that, ones the Fallout promo is over, people will be complaining they missed it and bitch about it being to short to notice?

Anyone?
No, Fallout is 2nd best selling on the catalogue. So by logic, most people especially loyal customer already owned the game.
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SimonG: So, who is going to take the bet that, ones the Fallout promo is over, people will be complaining they missed it and bitch about it being to short to notice?

Anyone?
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wormholewizards: No, Fallout is 2nd best selling on the catalogue. So by logic, most people especially loyal customer already owned the game.
It's owned by less than 10% of the GOG users, though, so it's still a huge giveaway. The fact that they're giving away their second-best-selling item in the entire catalog for free is pretty awesome, methinks. And there's no doubt it's a legendary RPG, either.
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bevinator: It's owned by less than 10% of the GOG users, though, so it's still a huge giveaway.
I do somewhat wonder how far removed that is from most games on the site though, with Gog user accounts having been accumulated over the years, I wouldn't be shocked if on average at least half of them are pretty much inactive accounts or irregular visitors at best.

I wouldn't be too surprised if most games on GOG hang around that number or somewhere close at least.

Still a great give-away and a great game though :)
When a company dissapoints people, the result is that people will complain. Bioware made promises about actions having consequences yet everyone has the same all encompassing ending.
Gog promised something to loyal, long term goggers, yet released a press release that was targeted at non PC markets and bringing in new players. They released a game that many long term goggers will have played.

I don't agree with some of the entitlement, but shit, don't create a sense of expectation of your product. While some of the complaining has been a bit pathetic, often it's just people that are sad that they didn't get the big surpise they thought was coming and the vitrolic responces have been more unpleasant than the original whining.

Edit: I have no problem with GOG, I am happy to see it broaden and diversify and even though I already own Fallout, I am happy that others who have not, may get a chance to play it. I hope in future an similar reward will give me the excuse to play an awesome game I otherwise never would.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by MichaelFurlong
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MichaelFurlong: When a company dissapoints people, the result is that people will complain. Bioware made promises about actions having consequences yet everyone has the same all encompassing ending.
Gog promised something to loyal, long term goggers, yet released a press release that was targeted at non PC markets and bringing in new players. They released a game that many long term goggers will have played.

I don't agree with some of the entitlement, but shit, don't create a sense of expectation of your product. While some of the complaining has been a bit pathetic, often it just people sad that they didn't get the big surpise they thought was coming and the vitrolic responces have been more unpleasant than the original whining.

Edit: I have no problem with GOG, I am happy to see if broaden and diversify and even though I already own Fallout, I am happy that others who have not, may get a chance to play it. I hope in future an similar reward will give me the excuse to play an awesome game I otherwise never would.
Don't mix CDP Red and GOG together...even though they're owned by the same company they're seperate entities. It was CDP Red that targeted non-PC customers with their 360 release of the Witcher 2, NOT GOG.
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wormholewizards: No, Fallout is 2nd best selling on the catalogue. So by logic, most people especially loyal customer already owned the game.
There is no direct correlation.
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azah_lemur: Don't mix CDP Red and GOG together...even though they're owned by the same company they're seperate entities. It was CDP Red that targeted non-PC customers with their 360 release of the Witcher 2, NOT GOG.
That's a fair point, but gog still advertised the presentation and actively created a sense of expectation around it. One could argue that they only advertised their section of the presentation as opposed to the whole thing, in which case, fair enough.
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Stevedog13: Now lets apply this to the recent GOG conference. They anounced the conference and said that it was full of goodies for The Witcher 2 and there will be a free "Legendary" RPG given away free as a gift to loyal customers. The boards were awash with what those goodies might be as well as what free title would be given out. Expectations skyrocketed based on rumor and hearsay and this is what caused such levels of disappointment and anger.
Precisely this.

I saw the announcement and at least one thread filled with speculation, and I thought "Neat, there will be some sort of treat on Thursday! I need to make a point of going to GOG to check on it!"

Do I match the description of people who will be getting a treat? Let's see... Do I own The Witcher 2? Check. Loyal customer? Well, I own over a 100 GOG games. I've never even played The Witcher 2, or most of the games I've bought here, but I keep spending money for more games, so I think that qualifies.

So what did I get for being a loyal customer, and for owning The Witcher 2? Well, I'd already purchased both Fallout and The Witcher 2 from GOG, so nothing there. I not going to review a game for a console I don't own, so the free review copies don't do me any good. I would like HoMM V, but I've no interest in Assassin's Creed and $19.99 is a lot for HoMM V, so that's a wish list item for now. Pretty anti-climatic.

Ironically, the treat was for people who *didn't* already own most of the legendary RPGs on GOG and who *didn't* own The Witcher 2 on GOG. And I kinda wish now that I'd purchased a physical copy of The Witcher 2 instead, since that way I'd get all the physical stuff that comes with the game (game manual, game guide, world map, making-of DVD, OST CD, papercraft dolls), plus I'd *still* have gotten to have the DRM-free download from GOG.

Am I furious? No. Calling for a boycott? Of course not. But disappointed? Yes, obviously. That's what you get when you exaggerate what you will be giving your customers -- disappointment and a loss of goodwill. I didn't post yesterday to complain, because that's not my normal inclination, but if people want to understand why some people did complain (and why doubtless a lot more people were at least a little disappointed), then they will have to understand that GOG screwed up expectations beforehand.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by josiebarrett
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wormholewizards: No, Fallout is 2nd best selling on the catalogue. So by logic, most people especially loyal customer already owned the game.
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Alexrd: There is no direct correlation.
Of course, that was supposed to be a joke. I just echoed people (some of them) opinion yesterday, said it make no sense to chose Fallout as free gift as it's 2nd best selling game so most GOG customer already owned it.
Just before TheEnigmatic step up and explain that actually 90% of GOG loyal fanbase don't have the game.
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josiebarrett: snip
I ditto this bloke.
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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it. Diablo III fans complain that the graphics have too much color and put together a petition to have it changed to their liking. Sonic fans who don't like how the latest title controls because it feels different from past iterations. Silent Hill fans have even condemned the latest Vita title before even getting a chance to play it. At some point all of this became something normal and now I don't even think twice when I see stories like this all over the internet, it's become the norm.
Well, they are the customers. We have a saying in Poland "customer is always right". If most of the fans want something to change, you should really consider changing it.

Because it's their money you're after. If they refuse to pay you, you're going bankrupt. Most of the customers are aware of that fact, so they are demanding.

And this is a good thing, in business.

It's a bad thing, when they want something giving nothing in return. They want high salaries, high benefits, high quality life when offering nothing in exchange. And that's true self-entitlement.
If gog had price points of $1.99 and .99 cents just as many people would complain, if they gave away 5 free games just as many people would complain. I could hear it now...."OMFG this game is not worth $1.99 I can get it at a big box store during Christmas for .55 cents" 'I got screwed because I like to buy lots of games and I own 3 out of the 5 of the games that they gave away for free!!!!"
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Whitewraith
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brendano: Has anybody else noticed this lately? Amongst the gaming community there certainly seems to be a lot of people who feel they deserve more and more. The Mass Effect 3 "scandal" has fans who believe they deserve a revision to the game's ending because they didn't like it.
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BrowncoatGR: While i agree to a degree with what you are saying i strongly disagree with your comment about ME3. The ending is clearly a rush job to enable EA/Bio to meet their deadline and is also the polar opposite of what Bioware devs and execs repeatedly promised they would do.
Yeah, I think that the ME3 uproar is actually fairly justified all things considered. The "waahh, they released Fallout for free!!!" uproar, on the other hand... yes, I can totally see why, after GOG promised to release a legendary RPG for free, people would be angry that they released a legendary RPG for free. How dare they do exactly what they said they would!