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As you can see from the image attached below, the top torrented PC game in 2011 on BitTorrent was Crysis 2. Despite being one of the hottest RPG's of 2011, Witcher 2 doesn't even make it in the Top 5

Taking these facts into consideration, whoever talked about Piracy for TW2 and whoever talked about how "Witcher 2 was pirated 3-6 million times" is simply talking out of his ass
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Yeah but this is not the full data set - i don't believe it covers a lot of the torrent sites or the torrent clients so 3+ million is certainly not out of the question at all!
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delphinium125: Yeah but this is not the full data set - i don't believe it covers a lot of the torrent sites or the torrent clients so 3+ million is certainly not out of the question at all!
Exactly. Also, torrent's aren't the only form of distribution for pirated games. That said, estimations of how often a game was pirated are always difficult to make and should be taken with a bug spoon of salt.
I take everything with bugs.
Im actually surprised the xbox numbers arent higher. From what ive noticed in the past the xbox version of games gets leaked way earlier than pc games..
So?
It obviously shows how piracy is killig the market. All those games didn't make a profit at all. And those pirates nearly killed the Fifa franchise....

oh, wait ...

I was surprised that MW 3 wasn't No 1.
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SimonG: It obviously shows how piracy is killig the market. All those games didn't make a profit at all. And those pirates nearly killed the Fifa franchise....

oh, wait ...

I was surprised that MW 3 wasn't No 1.
Maybe they wouldn't cost so much for honest gamers if the dishonest ones didn't keep ripping everyone off. :(
Post edited January 02, 2012 by stoicsentry
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stoicsentry: Maybe they wouldn't cost so much for honest gamers if the dishonest ones didn't keep ripping everyone off. :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare_3#Sales_and_revenue

Modern Warfare three was (one of) the first games that hit the magical 60€ for a new game standard edition on Steam.

You honestly believe that piracy has anything to do with high prices.
Post edited January 02, 2012 by SimonG
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stoicsentry: Maybe they wouldn't cost so much for honest gamers if the dishonest ones didn't keep ripping everyone off. :(
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SimonG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare_3#Sales_and_revenue

Modern Warfare three was (one of) the first games that hit the magical 60€ for a new game standard edition on Steam.

You honestly believe that piracy has anything to do with high prices.
Yes, of course I believe that. It's a basic economic principle.

The more sales you project, the less you have to charge to turn the desired profit.
Post edited January 02, 2012 by stoicsentry
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SimonG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare_3#Sales_and_revenue

Modern Warfare three was (one of) the first games that hit the magical 60€ for a new game standard edition on Steam.

You honestly believe that piracy has anything to do with high prices.
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stoicsentry: Yes, of course I believe that. It's a basic economic principle.

The more sales you project, the less you have to charge to turn the desired profit.
Well, what if the desired Profit is "as high as it gets"? Do you really thing companies just aim at a number an then call it quits? To what economic school did you go?

If you really thing that the games would even get one cent cheaper if the internet imploded, how do you explain cartridge based console games (which were pretty much unpirateable by your average consumer) never seeing a drop in pricing (even adjusting the higher production costs).

In my opinion piracy lowers pricess, because expanded the possible consumer base and creates a "cheating competitor". High prices cause piracy, but not the other way around.

And I won't complain for games being to expensive after that massive sale(s), were I got two month-old releases for less than 15€ each (LA Noir, Batman). Gaming has never been cheaper than now.
Does anyone want to help me with a torrenting related question? Pm me.
A few thoughts on this.

Piracy is killing the PC games market.
It's not killing the successful franchises, Call of Duty has enough sales to merit infinite sequels.
But risk ventures are another thing, anything new or inventive is a risk, we'll see less and less of those.


Modern Warfare 3 and BF3 are not at 1. because they've only been out for a couple of months vs almost the whole year for Crysis 2.

Witcher 2 isn't on the list because there's 10 times as many people interested in CoD.
Might want to think different, but it's nowhere near as popular as Dragon Age 2 or whatever.
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SimonG: Well, what if the desired Profit is "as high as it gets"? Do you really thing companies just aim at a number an then call it quits? To what economic school did you go?
Yes, they certainly do. Businesses set a profit expectation on any project. There would be no willingness to invest an extensive amount of resources into a project without having a basic profit projection.

When profit exceeds projection, it is wise to drop the price point on similar projects if it is believed that doing so may, 1) expand the paying market for the product, 2) increase brand loyalty.

This increases the long term viability of the organization.

If you really thing that the games would even get one cent cheaper if the internet imploded,
If the internet imploded?

how do you explain cartridge based console games (which were pretty much unpirateable by your average consumer) never seeing a drop in pricing (even adjusting the higher production costs).
I have no access to such data and the complicated nature of international economics, inflation included, is not a subject that I can speak reliably about. (Can you?)

If it is true, they developed efficient price points.

Of course it would not be accurate to say that no one was "pirating" (in those days, simply "stealing".)

In my opinion piracy lowers pricess, because expanded the possible consumer base
I wouldn't exactly trust those who have already fully enjoyed my product to "donate" to my cause after the fact.

Note that this is a different process from, say, a street musician. In that case, the street musician 1) purposefully delivers the product, then 2) solicits for donations during/after performance.

In those situations, you have a "random" customer base.

The typical developer's pirate customer base, however, is one that is known to be deceitful and unscrupulous, because they have already violated the wishes of the developers in advance of the solicitation by pirating the material.

and creates a "cheating competitor". High prices cause piracy, but not the other way around.
Free is always "better" than a cost, even if that cost is 1 USD.

It is true that piracy will decrease as price decreases, naturally. Yet this is not to say that piracy would ever cease to exist, no matter the price point.

And I won't complain for games being to expensive after that massive sale(s), were I got two month-old releases for less than 15€ each (LA Noir, Batman). Gaming has never been cheaper than now.
It is pretty cheap now, depending on the circumstances. That's excluding the "subscription" games (another crappy thing that piracy helped to encourage), and your common overpriced junk like Dragon Age 2. (No offense, DA2 fans.) =)
If Crysis 2 won it was probably because of the leak. Well, maybe that and a healthy amount of "I don't really care about this game but I want to see the pretty pictures my PC can put out."

I didn't torrent any games in 2011 because I am a winner. I did torrent Dick Tracy though, because there was literally no way to rent it whatsoever. I never watched it though, so I remain criminality-free!