Elmofongo: But Gandalf the White did do this awesome thing: Chaging head first with Rohirrim behind him in the finale of the Battle of Helm's Deep.

javier0889: a D&D campaign.

Elmofongo: One thing that they are not like Star Wars is that they don't have thier own Jar Jar and no Radagast is nothing like Jar Jar, heck Middle Earth already has its own Jar Jar and his name is Tom Bombadil and guess what they cut him out enturely in Lord of the Rings.

The only unfaithful things in the Hobbit movies so far is the additions like the Tauriel and Legolas among other things. If you cut them all out, you would have even more faithful adaption.

advancedhero: I don't remember the white goblin villain in the book, In fact, he is not there at all. I only saw the first movie though.

Elmofongo: The White Goblin (who is Azog the Defiler and an Orc mind you) Exist in the Tolkein Legendarium, but in the Hobbit book he was already truly dead.

Ryan333: The biggest issue I have with the Hobbit movies is that Jackson seems to be placing far more emphasis on adding new material than using existing material. There was so much that was either left out or re-worked in the second film, and it’s all the more painful to see when you consider how much time was placed on scenes like Thorin’s plan to smother Smaug in gold. That whole sub-plot took the better part of half an hour, it had absolutely nothing to do with any material from the books and ultimately it was completely pointless since Smaug just shook it off and flew out of the cave and we were right back to where we would have been if that scene never happened at all. We had a pissed off dragon who was getting ready to attack Laketown, which is just what happened in the book. But Jackson wasted a whole lot of time by taking a completely random and roundabout way of getting there. And that was time that could have been spent developing other scenes that were lacking or missing.

I have no problem with Jackson “filling in the blanks” by writing scenes that occur in parallel to the events described in the books, such as most of the scenes with the White Council. What really irks me is how the second film re-wrote almost every single scene that did occur in the books quite significantly. Even when scenes in the film did parallel those in the book, the context was often completely different.

I know that Jackson is very familiar with the books. There are enough references and details in the films to show that he knows the lore very well. So it’s not incompetence. It’s hubris. He thinks he can tell a better story than Tolkien. Yes, you have to make some changes for a book to work as a movie. But the majority of Jackson’s changes aren’t about reworking a novel into cinema. He’s flat out re-writing the story to try to make a better Hobbit than Tolkien.

darthspudius: Have you seen the cartoon renditions of the Hobbit and LOTR? Whether you have or haven't, watch them and remember it could of been A LOT worse.

darthspudius: oh buggered if I remember. But I remember those films are just horrible and did a pretty solid job of putting me off the books as a kid haha. LOTR was especially terrible, it was like a bad LSD trip.

Xzaril: Hmm, alright. I'll try to search around a bit. Thank you very much anyway!