Without looking through all these posts, I thought I'd post something I found rather meaningful (from Facebook, believe it or not!). One of my extremely conservative friends was astonished that Christians could vote for Obama, and after a bit of back and forth, one of his friends posted this:

"[I] find it extremely disappointing that a brother would so easily cut his own brothers down without speaking to them, or being unapologetic about it.

You know what I think Jesus was for? Being a peace maker, caring for the poor, the sick, the downtrodden, and those who were the oppressed.

So even if Mr. Obama has had a dubious first term, his promises, or at least the current promises of the party, make me feel like there is some moral stance on the left as well. I despise abortion. But I also think that children of the poor or the children of illegal immigrants shouldn't have to suffer because of their parents, and have access to the best health care and education we should provide for them. I despise the lack of attention and effort that has gone into the care of the young and helpless that are the chronically disadvantaged and unwanted.

I am against killing another human being. I oppose the death penalty. I oppose an overinflated defense budget, an eagerness to engage in war, a war against drugs that has thrown other nations into chaos. I oppose the closing of shelters for the poor, the homeless, and oppose the shrinking of medicare benefits. I am for the restructuring of our health care system - unless you can make a very convincing case why a healthy 24-year old would have to pay $650 a month to have decent health insurance when their job decides to cut their own costs by making them a "consultant" they don't have to give benefits to. Our current one does not serve the ones who need to care the most.

I do not agree with homosexuality. I also do not agree with diminished rights for someone who lives a life style that I disagree with - and that homosexuals should be able to visit each other in the hospital, have inheritance rights if one partner dies, and be recognized the state, instead of being a class of citizen that does not have equal rights simply because the majority disagrees with it.

I also believe since we have been given province over the land and the animals, we should take care of it. So yes, I am also for alternative fuels and trying to be as green as possible.

So please, tell me how all of these views are against what Jesus said - because I think he meant everything he said about how to treat and poor, widowed, and the needy.

I do not like President Obama. I do not like Governor Romney.

But I think it is not only insulting to us, but insulting to our very beliefs if we pretend that one of them is morally superior to the other. And by being so divisive between each other, the only person we're serving is the devil."

Just some food for thought. I'm not really interested in debating, though.

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That's clearly not right since sex is always rape as women are incapable of consenting to sex. Or at least that's why the feminists I was reading in college were claiming.

So clearly one of these people is incorrect.

This situation makes me think of this quote:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus

So he basically claimed that his God plans rapes, which is pretty malevolent. It's always funny to see hardline religious people trying to explain how there can be evil when there is an omnipotent God. They so often end up putting their foot in their mouth :P

If a being is omnipotent, it's outside mortal logic. If it's outside mortal logic, mortal logic doesn't really apply to it. To a divine being, loving humans might equal to not throwing flaming rocks at them constantly. Also, an omnipotent being would have no problem creating a stone that even it couldn't lift, since it's outside mortal logic and "p != p" isn't a problem in a system where there is omnipotence.

My guess for the third question-line is something similar to boredom or curiosity, though. :p

But being outside mortal logic doesn't make allowing evil to exist any less malevolent. And surely if God is omnipotent then He should understand mortal logic, and thus allowing the existence of (what we perceive to be) evil is still malevolent.

And if He allows evil out of boredom or curiosity, then that is very malevolent indeed :P

Then don't have sex with people of your gender, it's that simple.

I always thought that was the solution to a lot of these things. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Don't like same sex marriage? Don't marry somebody of the same sex as you.

IMHO it's pretty bloody straightforward, if you don't like these things, don't engage in them.

Back home we're once again voting on same sex marriage, at this point it's literally the use of the term under state law, all the actual state rights were previously approved by a vote of the people. And giving that the law provides exemptions for religious institutions, I don't see any valid reason for voting against it.

It is malevolent by human standards. A child may find a parent that doesn't buy him candy to be mean, but that doesn't mean that the parent is mean from a higher perspective. I hear religion's all about that higher perspective :p

So we should kill them.

I am pro abortion but man, such arguments are so stupid... LOL.

That's a rather flippant point.

Thing is that Romney looks after keeping the rich rich even if it comes at the expense of the poor meaning kids from poor families get even less chances.

To see many Christians support Republicans is the biggest hypocrisy I know. That large post of his hits the nail right on the head: Republicans are in favour of the OPPOSITE of what the New Testament preaches. Helping the poor, not casting any stones, etc. etc. etc. It shows how brainwashed these "Christians" are. I'm sorry but to me, they're not Christians. They're selfish pathetic excuses of people who are incapable of reading the book they worship.

Problem Solved.

I agree. But I don't agree with "Children shouldn't be poor so they shouldn't be born at all"

I am exaggerating, but man, saying "Children don't deserve to be miserable and poor" as an pro-abortion argumentation is just sick.

I find republicans less hypocritic here.

The do believe that you shall not kill innocents. Nothing wrong with killing murderers. And it's even in the bible.

On the other hand, people saying "aborting children because they will be poor in the future" is ok, and than "we can't kill this mass murderer, it's not morally fine !!!"

Who is more hypocritic here? I only find people who are OK with abortion and OK with death penalty world views coherent.