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Tallima: - Women are more "frail" than men; or, at least, that is how they can often be perceived. So if a woman rises to the occasion, it can be more emotionally triumpant than a male counterpart. For instance, Lara Croft would not work as a man. He'd just be a whiny nobody b/c we expect our male heroes to already by Navy SEALs. I think many men and women believe this lie until they live some life. From my experience, men and women are both badasses in their own ways -- and sometimes in the same ways. But sometimes perception is more important than reality.
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Klumpen0815: Lol, true. A female hero that isn't afraid of tiny spiders is sometimes seen as strong enough, while the guys need to be able to beat up a dozen deathclaws WITH ONE FINGER. :D
Some games make fun of this and are doing a good job.
I guess that's the reason many guys I know preferred playing Mass Effect as FemShep. Badass woman vs. just another hero guy. It also helped that FemShep was "written to be a guy", so she didn't start whining about her emotions all the time.
Am I the only one who wants to murderkill those badass female heroes/NPCs (or their writers...) who act totally badass, but at some point they just HAVE to whine about their feelings, only because they are "written to be women"...?
Post edited October 31, 2014 by MadyNora
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awalterj: ....
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ddickinson: Okay, last try. If I fail here I will just call it a day and let you stay in the bunker and eat so much chocolate they you can't get out of the blast door :-).
Impossible due to inexplicable faster-than-light metabolism. People have tried to fatten me up many many times with no success whatsoever.

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ddickinson: Three possible plans of action:
1. Pump poison gas into the bunker.
2. Flood the bunker with water.

And my main plan.

3. Wait until you retire and are no longer allowed in the bunker. Then begin my attack :-).
1.) Bunkers have gas locks, plus everyone has a gas mask at hand and has been drilled to quickly put on hazmat suits and sleep inside them, Teletubby style. And after wearing a hazmat suit for a couple hours, everyone starts talking like a Teletubby anyway, it's perfectly normal behavior.
2.) How? You want to fill your little thermos at a nearby mountain stream and dump the water into one of the air vents? You'd have to dump your fine English tea out first - too big a sacrifice for a proper Brit. But flooding doesn't work anyway, you could try to cut off the air supply if you find all the air vents which is unlikely plus some of them are virtually inaccessible in this terrain.

3.) Actually, I'm retiring form service in about 10 days so I just decided it's better for me -not- to disagree or upset you in any way. So...let's be wonderful friends, yes?

...in the meantime, I'll be shopping for cheap used bunkers...I saw this cold war era corrugated metal bunker for 1990 Swiss Francs a while ago (about £1300) but I didn't buy it so I just took a souvenir photo. You have to dig quite a big hole for this bunker to fit in and I don't think my landlords would like that very much.

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Enebias: Trust me, people: compared to her, Stallone and Schwarzenegger *combined* are total wimps!
Seems so, which is why I decided to be friends with ddickinson - at least until I can afford a decent bunker, if there's room for two people you can come on over whenever she makes a giveaway and we decide to not be in - which without a bunker isn't an option for us.
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awalterj: So...let's be wonderful friends, yes?
Sounds good to me. Though I will miss the thrill of the hunt, I would prefer the friend option.

That looks like a very basic bunker. How long do you think you could survive in the bunker?

Speaking of bunker, I just re-watched a very good WW2 British film called [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bunker_(2001_film)]The Bunker[/url]. It's about a group of Nazis holding a bunker that was attached to a series of tunnels. In these tunnels were spooky ghosts who take their revenge on the Nazis. It has a very similar feel to [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathwatch_(2002_film)]Deathwatch[/url], another good British supernatural WW1 war film. Both are very good supernatural war movies, IMO, especially if you like movies that are not all explosions and gun-ho Yanks.
Post edited October 31, 2014 by ddickinson
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ddickinson: That looks like a very basic bunker. How long do you think you could survive in the bunker?

Speaking of bunker, I just re-watched a very good WW2 British film called [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bunker_(2001_film)]The Bunker[/url]. It's about a group of Nazis holding a bunker that was attached to a series of tunnels. In these tunnels were spooky ghosts who take their revenge on the Nazis. It has a very similar feel to [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathwatch_(2002_film)]Deathwatch[/url], another good British supernatural WW1 war film. Both are very good supernatural war movies, IMO, especially if you like movies that are not all explosions and gun-ho Yanks.
Wouldn't survive very long in something as primitive as this, it's just a frontline field bunker where you can sit and wait until the artillery guys on the opposing side go for a lunch break. It's a bit better than sitting outside in a trench as the cylindric walls can absorb a bit of force if the whole thing is dug into the earth properly. Cheap though!

I haven't seen those two movies you linked, the only Nazis in bunker + supernatural elements movie I can remember off the top of my head is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keep_(film)]The Keep[/url], bit of a strange movie though and hardly known but the soundtrack by Tangerine Dream is quite cool. In fact, the soundtrack is the main reason I watched this in the first place.
Here's a trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaw-UDdB9Hw
Post edited October 31, 2014 by awalterj
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awalterj: ...
The Keep looks very interesting, I will keep an eye out for it.

Here are some trailers for the two I mentioned. Deathwatch does have a very realistic trench set, complete with lots and lots of mud.

Deathwatch trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G0KQYHJ6K_s

The Bunker trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sblyBIc4Qug
Post edited October 31, 2014 by ddickinson
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ddickinson: Deathwatch trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G0KQYHJ6K_s
Hey that's Gollum at 0:49 !
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ddickinson: Deathwatch trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G0KQYHJ6K_s
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awalterj: Hey that's Gollum at 0:49 !
Yes it is, and at about the 1:05 mark on the Bunker trailer is the guy who played Ephialtes in 300, without makeup of course.

Andy Serkis goes a bit crazy in the film, but he does have a very nice trench truncheon :-).
Post edited October 31, 2014 by ddickinson
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awalterj: Hey that's Gollum at 0:49 !
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ddickinson: Yes it is, and at about the 1:05 mark on the Bunker trailer is the guy who played Ephialtes in 300, without makeup of course.
Wait, there were real, non-cgi people filmed in 300? ;)
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Klumpen0815: Wait, there were real, non-cgi people filmed in 300? ;)
Well I think his costume was just makeup, I don't why they would have needed cgi for him. But who knows, film makers now seem to use cgi for everything, whether it needs it or not.
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Klumpen0815: Wait, there were real, non-cgi people filmed in 300? ;)
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ddickinson: Well I think his costume was just makeup, I don't why they would have needed cgi for him. But who knows, film makers now seem to use cgi for everything, whether it needs it or not.
I'm surprised there are still actors around (although hardly recognizable due to heavy make up and photoshopping), since real sets/surroundings became obsolete as it seems....

Time to watch some old proper playhouse style BBC movies, probably Gormenghast again.
I have fallen way behind with this thread, hope to catch up during the weekend.

For now, a big thanks to ddickinson for the GA and for providing the platform for these discussions, +1.

And...

Not in!
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Klumpen0815: Time to watch some old proper playhouse style BBC movies, probably Gormenghast again.
I keep hearing interesting things about it, particularly the book. Worth picking up for reading while recovering from surgery, do you think, or is it best experienced while sober?
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ddickinson: I know what you mean, there's not even as much porn as I thought there would be, let alone skimpy pjs and pillow fights. At least your crate of goodies has brightened up the place, but still not much going on at the boys sleepover. Although there was mention of a transvestite stripper, and [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_guys_of_gog_giveaway_no_girls_allowed/post46]laser tag, so perhaps their sleepovers are just slow at starting :-).

Yep, the part I bolded on the first sentence seems to be about right ;-). I also agree with the second paragraph above. I think as games are still made mainly by men, then both the female and male models are targeted for men. Which is understandable, as I said in the girls giveaway, men create what they know, they make games they would like and what they think other men would like. They sometimes try to get it from a woman's point of view, but often this just turns out cliche, sexist or ridiculous. Women don't necessarily want a wimpy, over-sensitive guy, but many don't want the ape-man either.



Thank you for taking part. I already had a good idea of your favourites, but its nice to see some of your least favourite genres as well. I must say that I am surprised to see so many guys dislike sports games, I was always under the impression that they were very popular among male gamers. I'm not surprised to see so many people on here hate F2P games.

I'm assuming that your least favourite faction of Dawn of War is the Eldar? I can't see a Dwarf fan liking those pesky future Elves. Dune 2000 (I love strategy games with real life cut-scenes, when done well) & Warcraft 2 were some of my favourites strategy games growing up. I had quite a few nice strategy games growing up, one of my all time favourite was the original Starcraft and its add-on. I have not played the newer sequels, for some reason they don't appeal to me, the story seems poor and nothing compared to the first games (for example: Kerrigan changes from a kick arse strong woman, to a weak little girl who needs big strong Raynor to come rescue her.)

Which is your favourite Total War game? I think I mentioned to you previously that I stopped at Medieval 2. Partly because of the DRM the newer games had and also because the company seems to just release buggy and broken games. It seems that anytime a games developers is taken over by a big publisher, the games suffer. Look at Westwood and EA, Blizzard and Activision, and Creative Assembly and Saga.

I have read some articles that claims that despite many guys pretending to be female players, there are differences in the language and "body language" of the character between male and female gamers. I recall someone earlier saying how female gamers would tend to stand closer together and males further apart. I suppose little things like this would be what the articles were referring to. While it's not a completely true assumption, it is quite feasible, as the attitudes between men and women are generally different.
Apologies for the length of time in getting back to you, but I had to host that sleepover first!

1. One of my favorite characters in any video game is Oghren the Dwarf from DA:O. He manages to be both a hilariously cheeky drunken dwarven badass archetype and a lovesick deeply troubled soul with a difficult past as well.

2.I dislike the Eldar but I really loathe the Dark Eldar. They're supposed to be terrifying but they come off as obnoxious hot-topic wannabe goth kids who make bland jokes about slitting wrists and slenderman. No thanks.

3.I did love Starcraft as well, it's still one of my fondest gaming memories and I'd love to see an updated version for modern machines. I don't particularly care about SC2 after most of the things I've read about it being dumbed down.

4.I've only played Total War:Rome, Shogun, and Medieval 2. My favorite, both due to the time period and mechanics, is M2. I do want to give Napoleon a try due to the same reasons, however. Most agree with you about mergers too. I just hope the almost mythological Total War:hammer game that is still supposedly being developed by CA manages to overcome these issues.

5.That's a good point; I probably did subconsciously give out signals that behind the female avatar was a burly bearded dude be-spectacled and be-piped clad in plaid.
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Ragnarblackmane: 5.That's a good point; I probably did subconsciously give out signals that behind the female avatar was a burly bearded dude be-spectacled and be-piped clad in plaid.
It would be hard to hide the manliness of a big bushy beard and the smell of some good Old Toby, the finest weed in the Southfarthing :-).

I would not hold your breath for Total War:Hammer. Every new game they make is just as buggy and often unplayable as the last. I don't think this will change anytime soon. As long as people keep buying their broken games, then why would they bother to fix them. Add this to the fact that Warhammer fans will now also be attracted to the franchise, this just means more customers and more money for poorly designed games. But who knows, maybe after many bad games they will finally make a return to the more playable older games. I guess there is no need to ask which faction you will be favouring in a Warhammer Total War game.... The Elves ;-).
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Klumpen0815: Time to watch some old proper playhouse style BBC movies, probably Gormenghast again.
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Jonesy89: I keep hearing interesting things about it, particularly the book. Worth picking up for reading while recovering from surgery, do you think, or is it best experienced while sober?
Beware of the book, it's the hardest English book I've ever began to read (and I'm reading old English literature all the time without any problems), I had to pause it at some point, because it uses just about the complete English vocabulary probably not even known to native speakers.
It's obvious, that this book is written by a painter, because it's over the top picturesque, which is what makes it so great though. Not an easy read at all.

The movie (4 hours long) is awesome, it's all made like in a playhouse and the acting is one of the best I've seen so far, Christopher Lee and Stephen Fry are doing an awesome job as always, Richard Griffiths is the perfect match for the role of Swelter, but Jonathan Rhys Meyers really takes the cake. Oh and Fiona Shaw is hilarious in this one too.
Post edited November 01, 2014 by Klumpen0815