Posted November 12, 2014
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ddickinson
Battle Sister
Registered: Feb 2014
From United Kingdom
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phandom
of the Opera
Registered: Aug 2012
From Greece
Posted November 12, 2014
Thank you ddickinson. You always have fun giveaways!
I'm in for Schein. I just found out it's Austrian made.
I'm also in for Lifthrasil.
Austria has no contact to sea. Instead it has high mountains with 13 peaks above 3,000 metres, and 34 above 2,000 metres!!!
Death in Austria is big business, and the Austrian funeral industry is said to be largest per capita in Europe. Austrians plan quite openly for their eventual demise, discussing reserving burial plots, designing headstones, and joining Sterbeverein (“Death Association”) that ensures someone eventually shows up and pays the final bill. Coming back from an Austrian funeral, one is sure to hear that there was ein schöne Leiche (“a beautiful corpse”)
The Austrian flag is one of the oldest national flag in the world. It dates from 1191, when Duke Leopold V fought in the Battle of Acre during the Third Crusade.
Austria is the only European Union nation that is not a member of NATO.
On a more personal note, Vienna is a city I've been wanting to visit for the past 15 years. I've had plenty of chances to hear about Vienna and make virtual tours there but I have never actually visited the city. My brother has made a trip there 4 years ago, my grandmother went there 10 years ago on Christmas, I have even wandered the streets in google street view. I hope one day I finally manage to visit Vienna.
Next should be Netherlands.
I'm in for Schein. I just found out it's Austrian made.
I'm also in for Lifthrasil.
Austria has no contact to sea. Instead it has high mountains with 13 peaks above 3,000 metres, and 34 above 2,000 metres!!!
Death in Austria is big business, and the Austrian funeral industry is said to be largest per capita in Europe. Austrians plan quite openly for their eventual demise, discussing reserving burial plots, designing headstones, and joining Sterbeverein (“Death Association”) that ensures someone eventually shows up and pays the final bill. Coming back from an Austrian funeral, one is sure to hear that there was ein schöne Leiche (“a beautiful corpse”)
The Austrian flag is one of the oldest national flag in the world. It dates from 1191, when Duke Leopold V fought in the Battle of Acre during the Third Crusade.
Austria is the only European Union nation that is not a member of NATO.
On a more personal note, Vienna is a city I've been wanting to visit for the past 15 years. I've had plenty of chances to hear about Vienna and make virtual tours there but I have never actually visited the city. My brother has made a trip there 4 years ago, my grandmother went there 10 years ago on Christmas, I have even wandered the streets in google street view. I hope one day I finally manage to visit Vienna.
Next should be Netherlands.
Post edited November 12, 2014 by phandom
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triock
Can You Face Your Fears?
Registered: Feb 2010
From Slovakia
Posted November 12, 2014
Someone is really bad at geography. :p
http://nato.gov.si/eng/topic/national-security/neutral-status/neutral-countries/
http://nato.gov.si/eng/topic/national-security/neutral-status/neutral-countries/
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phandom
of the Opera
Registered: Aug 2012
From Greece
Posted November 12, 2014
Live and learn. My source is : http://www.eupedia.com/austria/trivia.shtml
I don't know what "continental" is supposed to mean, but it seems wrong too.....
I don't know what "continental" is supposed to mean, but it seems wrong too.....
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Crewdroog
Land Shark
Registered: May 2014
From United States
Posted November 12, 2014
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I am humbled and honored by your nomination, but I must ask that you choose someone else. I've just won a prize in the "thank the fellows" and would love to see another win. But again, it was very nice to see you thought of me :)
Post edited November 12, 2014 by Crewdroog
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ddickinson
Battle Sister
Registered: Feb 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted November 12, 2014
What? You're still not dead after all this kindness! Okay, you asked for it. The super hugging axe of kindness. :-D
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Ragnarblackmane
MTFBWY
Registered: Aug 2009
From United States
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ixbt25i
Zang Tumb Tumb
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
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ddickinson
Battle Sister
Registered: Feb 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted November 14, 2014
Firstly, thank you for the contribution of a second prize! Please be sure to give Ragnarblackmane a +1 for his awesome generosity. I will update the OP with your generous offer as another prize option.
Secondly, thank you for the interesting facts, I was not expecting something on Tolkien, but it is of course very much appreciated. Tolkien's book on Sigurd (Siegfried) is one of my favourite narrative poems.
Secondly, thank you for the interesting facts, I was not expecting something on Tolkien, but it is of course very much appreciated. Tolkien's book on Sigurd (Siegfried) is one of my favourite narrative poems.
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Ragnarblackmane
MTFBWY
Registered: Aug 2009
From United States
Posted November 14, 2014
Not true at all, Tolkien was vehemently opposed to the Wagnerian derivations. In fact:
Wagnerian influences
Some critics have suggested that The Lord of the Rings was directly and heavily derived from Richard Wagner's opera cycle, Der Ring des Nibelungen which also centres its plot on a powerful ring.[51] Others have argued that any similarity is due to Tolkien being influenced by the legendary Volsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, which were the basis for the operas.[52][53]
Tolkien sought to dismiss critics' direct comparisons to Wagner, telling his publisher, "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases." According to Humphrey Carpenter's biography of Tolkien, the author claimed to hold Wagner's interpretation of the relevant Germanic myths in contempt, even as a young man before reaching university.[54]
Some researchers take an intermediate position: that both the authors used the same sources, but that Tolkien was influenced by Wagner's development of the mythology,[55][56] especially "concept of the Ring as giving the owner mastery of the world that was Wagner's own contribution to the myth of the Ring".[57] Wagner probably developed this element by combining the ring with a magical wand mentioned in the Nibelungenlied that could give to its wearer the control "over the race of men".[58][59] In addition, the corrupting power of Tolkien's One Ring has a central role in Wagner's operas but was not present in the mythical sources.[60][61]
Some argue that Tolkien's denial of a Wagnerian influence was an over-reaction to the statements of Åke Ohlmarks, Tolkien's Swedish translator, who in the introduction to his much-criticized translation of The Lord of the Rings "mixed material from various legends, some which mention no ring and one which concerns a totally different ring".[62][63][64] Furthermore, critics believe that Tolkien was reacting against the links between Wagner's work and Nazism.[65][66]
Wagnerian influences
Some critics have suggested that The Lord of the Rings was directly and heavily derived from Richard Wagner's opera cycle, Der Ring des Nibelungen which also centres its plot on a powerful ring.[51] Others have argued that any similarity is due to Tolkien being influenced by the legendary Volsunga saga and the Nibelungenlied, which were the basis for the operas.[52][53]
Tolkien sought to dismiss critics' direct comparisons to Wagner, telling his publisher, "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases." According to Humphrey Carpenter's biography of Tolkien, the author claimed to hold Wagner's interpretation of the relevant Germanic myths in contempt, even as a young man before reaching university.[54]
Some researchers take an intermediate position: that both the authors used the same sources, but that Tolkien was influenced by Wagner's development of the mythology,[55][56] especially "concept of the Ring as giving the owner mastery of the world that was Wagner's own contribution to the myth of the Ring".[57] Wagner probably developed this element by combining the ring with a magical wand mentioned in the Nibelungenlied that could give to its wearer the control "over the race of men".[58][59] In addition, the corrupting power of Tolkien's One Ring has a central role in Wagner's operas but was not present in the mythical sources.[60][61]
Some argue that Tolkien's denial of a Wagnerian influence was an over-reaction to the statements of Åke Ohlmarks, Tolkien's Swedish translator, who in the introduction to his much-criticized translation of The Lord of the Rings "mixed material from various legends, some which mention no ring and one which concerns a totally different ring".[62][63][64] Furthermore, critics believe that Tolkien was reacting against the links between Wagner's work and Nazism.[65][66]
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ixbt25i
Zang Tumb Tumb
Registered: Dec 2012
From Other
Posted November 14, 2014
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Furthermore, critics believe that Tolkien was reacting against the links between Wagner's work and Nazism.[65][66]
Also, Wagner's damnatio memoriae after World War II surely played a significant role.
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gone (but still playing his games)
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
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BillyMaysFan59
gone (but still playing his games)
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2014
Bump
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Ragnarblackmane
MTFBWY
Registered: Aug 2009
From United States
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LinustheBold
Bowl of Cherries
Registered: Jun 2013
From United States
Posted November 14, 2014
Alas, I have no amusing stories about going through customs to pee in Austria. I will have to think about this.