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ddickinson: Do you think it would have been an improvement over the book if it was a series of movies and not a T.V. series? Or is the reason why the T.V. series improves upon the books because of the fact that the T.V. series has enough time to tell the story at a slower pace, including more details, characters and plot elements? Something that movies are unable to do due to time limitations.
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Jonesy89: The latter, I think. That said, Game of Thrones suffers a terminal case of what I like to call "Martin's Paradox", a plot-oriented version of Zeno's Paradox. Zeno's paradox is the idea that when you close in half of the distance between two points repeatedly, you constantly get closer but gradually slow down and never get to your destination. Martin's series is so bloated that man of his plot lines seem to never get any closer to finishing, despite getting some development over time.

There's an episode of South Park that has a similar take on the series. Two of the boys go to Martin's house to find out how the series ends because of reasons, and get invited in to wait due to one of the boys getting low blood sugar. Martin ostensibly orders pizzas to fix the blood sugar problem; when asked how the plot line involving dragons ends, Martin commences on a rambling synopsis of everything else going on in Westeros, no matter how inconsequential (also a lot of dick related stuff, because the writers of South Park think that a handful of onscreen male genitalia = dicks everywhere). This goes on for hours, during which Martin calls in an a capella choir to do a parody of the theme song for the show (again, dick oriented). Throughout the entire period, the boys keep asking when the dragons are coming, to which Martin says "don't worry, the dragons are coming, they're on their way"; the boy with low blood sugar also asks about when the pizzas are coming, to which Martin keeps responding, "the pizzas are on their way". Right as the boy with low blood sugar is about to pass out, the other boy demands to know when the pizzas are coming because of the other is almost about to faint, to which Martin responds by picking up the phone and asking what pizzas the boys would like.
Those three episodes of South Park (it was a trilogy) were my favorite in all of the show.
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sunshinecorp: Those three episodes of South Park (it was a trilogy) were my favorite in all of the show.
Sadly, I only ever saw the first one. Now I really want to fix that.
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Jonesy89: I'm weary of Game of Thrones in both formats as well, to the point that I have both stopped watching and reading it, but I do think that the series improves on the books. Again, not particularly a fan of either of them.
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ddickinson: Do you think it would have been an improvement over the book if it was a series of movies and not a T.V. series? Or is the reason why the T.V. series improves upon the books because of the fact that the T.V. series has enough time to tell the story at a slower pace, including more details, characters and plot elements? Something that movies are unable to do due to time limitations.
I've never read or watched Game of Thrones, nor do intend to, but I believe you are correct, provided those making the series are interested in being true to the book(s), a TV series is about what is necessary to translate any decently complex story accurately. That said, a lot of TV adaptations don't manage it. Dresden Files comes to mind, which was fun but hardly faithful to Jim Butcher's wizardly detective.

I am way late for the Ghibli discussion but, personally, I loved both Studio Ghibli's adaptation of Howl's Moving Castle as well as the books. I liked the movie better at first, which I saw before reading the books, but the series grew on me and now I like them both equally well in their own way. Yes, it seems so different, they could have changed it a bit more and not even used the name, but as it was; if they hadn't kept the name, the story was still close enough to get the animators into trouble.

I was surprised no one mentioned My Neighbor Totoro, The Cat Returns, Whisper of the Heart, Ponyo, or My Neighbors, the Yamadas. We loved those films too. Kiki's Delivery Service, Porco Rosso, and The Secret World of Arrietty were very good too, though not as moving as Spirited Away or Castle in the Sky.
Post edited October 23, 2014 by SalarShushan
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sunshinecorp: Those three episodes of South Park (it was a trilogy) were my favorite in all of the show.
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Jonesy89: Sadly, I only ever saw the first one. Now I really want to fix that.
The one you just described was the second one, I guess you saw the middle of the trilogy. But yes, as a whole it makes much more sense than just dicks. :D
The viewing sequence is: Black Friday / A Song of Ass and Fire / Titties and Dragons
Post edited October 22, 2014 by sunshinecorp
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Jonesy89: Sadly, I only ever saw the first one. Now I really want to fix that.
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sunshinecorp: The one you just described was the second one, I guess you saw the middle of the trilogy. But yes, as a whole it makes much more sense than just dicks. :D
The viewing sequence is: Black Friday / A Song of Ass and Fire / Titties and Dragons
Actually, I'm pretty sure the one I saw was Black Friday; it ended with Martin announcing he was pushing back his release dates yet again, iirc.
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sunshinecorp: The one you just described was the second one, I guess you saw the middle of the trilogy. But yes, as a whole it makes much more sense than just dicks. :D
The viewing sequence is: Black Friday / A Song of Ass and Fire / Titties and Dragons
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Jonesy89: Actually, I'm pretty sure the one I saw was Black Friday; it ended with Martin announcing he was pushing back his release dates yet again, iirc.
That was A Song of Ass and Fire. But all three episodes pursue the Black Friday story arc. As well as the GoT one and the Xbox One/PS4 one.
They're free to watch on the South Park site. :)
Post edited October 22, 2014 by sunshinecorp
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Mrstarker: Sure, but you'll still know the plot, so watching a movie is like a big spoiler, isn't it?
Look at it this way - my experience says that the book always beats the movie, so I'd rather not know much about the movie beforehand to avoid constant comparisons to the book and my imagining of the world and characters, k.e. be less disappointed by the movie.
A book always holds the magic, it offers freedom to imagine that a movie can't, often details convey much more than a movie could for various reasons; all this still makes it a different experience.

Besides, knowing the plot from the movie adaptation means little when it comes to the book - movies usually leave out or change so many things, it often feels like a completely different story.

And I usually don't buy books blindly unless it's from a favourite author (i.e. I buy all their books). For instance, I'd never go buy the Game of Thrones books just because there's a successful show or because people keep raving about them. If a book falls into my reading interests, I look it up online and read about it - summaries, excerpts, sometimes also what other readers have to say about their experience. If I buy it from my local book store, I pick random pages and read them there, and discuss it with two of the employees I share reading interests with.
So, by the time I'm ready to purchase it, I'm pretty familiar with it and am just looking forward to lose myself in its details.

I can see though how it might not work the same way for others, it's all a very subjective experience.
EDIT: Sorry, thought I was replying to a couple comments on the latest page, but was actually replying to the first page.
Post edited October 22, 2014 by TullyFernado
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TullyFernado: MRA
His magnetic resonance angiography? Mandibular repositioning appliance? Market Reduction Approach? Monland Restoration Army?!?!
EDIT: Oh you edited. Ruining my joke.
Post edited October 22, 2014 by sunshinecorp
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HypersomniacLive: I can see though how it might not work the same way for others, it's all a very subjective experience.
Of course. I think I get it now, but I'm basically the complete opposite. I want to know as little as possible, so that I get the "pure" experience, which makes looking for new things somewhat tricky, as you might imagine.
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Klumpen0815: She is one of the mascots of hardcore misandric feminism.
Official statements to this topic go in directions like
(I quote her here):

Ugh. I see where you're coming from. That sounds.... yeah.... let's leave it at bad and saddening.
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HijacK:
In fact, Ellen Page is not a hardcore anything of the sort. The "quote" there is one that Klumpen made up. It is not only insulting to Ellen Page, it also completely misrepresents what she does believe, which is that it is not especially anyone's business whom she sleeps with. The rest, as I say, Klumpen made up - it's a lie, nothing more.

Further, to dismiss an exquisite and accomplished artist, an Academy-Award-nominee for Best Actress, and a thoughtful young woman with the desultory reference "Ellen Page (lesbian)" is ignorant and offensive.

Klumpen might try something more respectful, and even something actually true. Like this:

"I'm here today because I am gay. And because maybe I can make a difference. To help others have an easier and more hopeful time. Regardless, for me, I feel a personal obligation and a social responsibility." - Ellen Page, artist, Academy Award nominee (Best Actress)

Pretty hardcore, huh.
Post edited October 22, 2014 by LinustheBold
I sure hope my popcorn is still fresh.
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awalterj:
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Piranjade: I like to play strategy game but mostly only with friends. Because that's when I have a relaxed atmosphere and can enjoy playing with other people.
I mostly prefer TBS over RTS but I also enjoyed Command & Conquer (still have the boxed version - yay, nostalgia), Dune and Startopia.
Awesome, that brings the current poll results of female strategy enthusiasts on GOG to an impressive 40% ! (2 out of 5 members)

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awalterj:
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ddickinson: It's possible that I enjoy strategy a little more than most girls because I grew up with three brothers, all of which loved strategy games (and table top games, like Warhammer). I suppose that had I not had access to these games and had I not enjoyed playing them with my brothers, then maybe I would not be such a fan of strategy games. But who knows, it's just as likely that I would enjoy them no matter what.
You might have discovered your passion for the genre on your own. Exposure via others is a good starting condition and creates opportunity but it doesn't guarantee anything. My younger sister has two older brothers (me and my older brother) who both played a lot of strategy games but she didn't show any interest in these games or much interest in video games in general. She did like some of the Lucas Arts adventures but didn't play much on her own.
Whenever my parents were out of the house, my brother and I converted my dad's office PC into an entertainment system. These clandestine gaming sessions were usually hampered by my little sister feeling left out and blackmailing us so that one of us had to play little ponies etc with her or else she'd tell our parents: "Mama, Papa, they played on the computer again!"
Post edited October 22, 2014 by awalterj
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LinustheBold: The "quote" there is one that Klumpen made up.[...]The rest, as I say, Klumpen made up - it's a lie, nothing more.
Speaking of respect: Stop calling me a liar over and over again, I don't appreciate this at all.
I read this quote multiple times and therefore naturally associate it with her. It would fit to other statements of her against the bad patriarchy etc... I hope you are right.
Who knows, maybe you are a fanboy and the liar here, I don't know, so I won't call you that, especcially not repeatedly.
Post edited October 22, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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Jonesy89: The latter, I think. That said, Game of Thrones suffers a terminal case of what I like to call "Martin's Paradox", a plot-oriented version of Zeno's Paradox. Zeno's paradox is the idea that when you close in half of the distance between two points repeatedly, you constantly get closer but gradually slow down and never get to your destination. Martin's series is so bloated that man of his plot lines seem to never get any closer to finishing, despite getting some development over time.
This is so true. I got the first two books of the "A song of Ice and Fire" series shortly after the second book was published and I was fascinated by the world and the huge number of characters. But when time went by I got wary of the series since after the third book the pace of the story slows down while the waiting time for the next books increases. I personally thing that Martin just got lost in his own story and has no clue how to really come to an end. And while I will buy the next book (should it ever be published) because I hate to have unfinished series, my mindset has changed from "Yeah awesome new book of the series" to "Hopefully something will happen this time bringing the series to an end". Honestly if it continues in this speed Martin could die of old age before finishing...
Can't say anything about the TV series, I did not watch it, same as with most movie adaptions of books^^