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Crewdroog: JRPGs are typically turn based, right? Don't like turn based games, despite the hair colors and styles. they make me nuts.
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ddickinson: Let's not forget the strange fascination they have with slutty underage girls in many JRPG's (and modern anime). You know, the whole preteen with huge breasts that dresses in the shortest skirt possible thing. Or the overly effeminate men with longer hair than the women that moan and whine like a bunch of old ladies.

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awalterj:
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ddickinson:
Ugh, it's been so long since I've even looked at one that I forgot about that fun element. yeah, totally not interested in being a perv. And I agree with the anime, thankfully if you look hard enough there are some that buck this trend.
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awalterj: But then again, many strategy games have characters & stories so it can't be just that, now I'm confused.
If you carry on like this your head will explode :-).

I also do not enjoy games like sim city or any city management type game. I also hated the Sims, couldn't stand it. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reason, but I just found them to be boring.
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HijacK: 4 Words: Simple math and logic.
I'm not sure I follow.
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Crewdroog: Ugh, it's been so long since I've even looked at one that I forgot about that fun element. yeah, totally not interested in being a perv. And I agree with the anime, thankfully if you look hard enough there are some that buck this trend.
I pretty much stopped watching anime. I do still enjoy Studio Ghibli's movies, but I got tired of the rubbish shows they make now, full of perverted topics and featuring younger and younger characters. I enjoyed the 80's and 90's animes, when they could have adult topics and adult characters, not just a bunch of slutty schoolgirls fighting monsters and falling madly in love with the effeminate male class mates.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by ddickinson
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ddickinson: ?
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awalterj: A question for the girls here:

Why are strategy games, especially the combat type (both TBS and RTS) so seemingly unpopular with female audiences?
Too much happens too fast, I don't find managing battles and people fun AT ALL, and seeing all the "to do" things just pile up and pile up makes me insane. When I play these games it feels too much like work, and that is NOT what I want from a video game. Funny thing is, I feel like I should really like these games because I'm a huge history nerd. I'd love to play Crusader Kings and conquer Europe and see if I could do it any different than those who did, but it is just so tedious to me. I guess maybe it's that I want more instant gratification out of a game? Plus, I live for explosions.
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ddickinson: I pretty much stopped watching anime. I do still enjoy Studio Ghibli's movies, but I got tired of the rubbish shows they make now, full of perverted topics and featuring younger and younger characters. I enjoyed the 80's and 90's animes, when they could have adult topics and adult characters, not just a bunch of slutty schoolgirls fighting monsters and falling madly in love with the effeminate male class mates.
You'd either love or hate Madoka Magica. Let's just say that it... takes issue with the typical magical girl anime.

But yeah, the 90s was a good time for anime, as I have recently discovered. Recently finished Trigun and loved every second of it.
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Crewdroog: Ugh, it's been so long since I've even looked at one that I forgot about that fun element. yeah, totally not interested in being a perv. And I agree with the anime, thankfully if you look hard enough there are some that buck this trend.
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ddickinson: I pretty much stopped watching anime. I do still enjoy Studio Ghibli's movies, but I got tired of the rubbish shows they make now, full of perverted topics and featuring younger and younger characters. I enjoyed the 80's and 90's animes, when they could have adult topics and adult characters, not just a bunch of slutty schoolgirls fighting monsters and falling madly in love with the effeminate male class mates.
I ask this of everyone: have you seen Berserk? If not, I highly recommend.

Actually, I think you are right, the anime I tend to watch I think is from the 90s and early 2000s, not much from today. I enjoyed Darker Than Black, Death Note and Mushishi (very strange, yet beautiful anime) and have watched half of Attack on Titan.

Oh, and I LOVE Miyazaki!!!!!!
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Crewdroog
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Sage103082: Strategy is not one of my favorite type of genres. For me I want a game I can get engrossed in for a hour or so and save and come back too and not be lost as what I was doing on what my next 10 moves should be. I am horrible at Chess. My mind is not one of those that can think 15 steps ahead.

I do not mind violent games at all.

I also love action games such as Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Zelda to name a few . I do not mind the turn base fighting system but I do prefer hack and slash when I find a enemy. I have played several games that were more of a tactics and you had move so many spaces and wait for the enemy to move some spaces, everyone is walking towards each other over 10 minutes. Nah as stated before I do have the patience.
That's a good point, many if not most of us can't spend several hours straight on a game every night so games that require a long warm-up time are not ideal. I can recommend Advance Wars though, this game is easy as cake in terms of controls and many mission maps are small enough that you will quickly remember where you left things when you get back to the game (as in flip open the Nintendo DS) but I must say some missions take several hours and it's not at all an easy game series. The characters are fun and everything is deceivingly cute but some missions are simply brutal Sudoku style combat puzzles. And since Sudoku is quite different from an obstinate old-school grognard wargame and is therefor enjoyed by people of all genders and ages, I would expect that Advance Wars would find
a sizable female audience. But it is quite like chess and chess has about 90-95% male players.
I'm not particularly good at chess, either. It's too abstracted for my taste (Battle Chess is fun though) and seems to favor "mathematical genius who has super high IQ but can't tie shoe laces" types of people.

Interestingly, the genre I have most trouble with when coming back after not playing it for a while are point & click adventure games. With strategy games, all I have to do is quickly look at what keyboard keys do what and it's back into action but with adventure games, if I was stuck before and return to the game later I end up being even more stuck and more clueless about what to do. I should take notes, that would solve the problem!


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MadyNora: Hmm I think it has more to do with the setting. I don't really like "modern" setting in games, I'm much more into fantasy/historical.
But the Heroes games have fantasy setting, and I still dislike them....
To make you even more confused: I love the King's Bounty games :3

Or maybe because Sim City felt.... lifeless. Yea, I have a city, and so what? In Stronghold and Settlers I can see actual people.

I love Banished too, and it has no story... In Stronghold I never play story mode, just "freeplay" against enemies.

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Or maybe it's beacuse I feel that these games belong to the "seen one, seen them all" category. You have a base you must protect, you build a lumberjack to get wood, you build a stone mine to get stone, you build an army building to protect your lands, you build temples to make people happy, you build farms to feed people..... bam, I've just summarized the majority of city builders in a nutshell =/
Yes, I'm positively confused now. You're sabotaging all my classification and statistics efforts :P
So you do like strategy but only if it's original and non-repetitive. But then again, King's Bounty and Banished aren't particularly original and they seem to have repetitive gameplay, too (as far as I get the impression, I haven't played Banished or any of the newest King's Bounty games)

BTW: there are people in Sim City, when there's a riot you can see all your lovable tax payers out on the street as a bunch of agitated pixels. In Sim City 2000, you could demolish the street behind and in front of them...that was fun.
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awalterj: Yes, I'm positively confused now. You're sabotaging all my classification and statistics efforts :P
So you do like strategy but only if it's original and non-repetitive. But then again, King's Bounty and Banished aren't particularly original and they seem to have repetitive gameplay, too (as far as I get the impression, I haven't played Banished or any of the newest King's Bounty games)

BTW: there are people in Sim City, when there's a riot you can see all your lovable tax payers out on the street as a bunch of agitated pixels. In Sim City 2000, you could demolish the street behind and in front of them...that was fun.
I love organizing stuff, and building strategies. I love seeing the whole world, both virtual and real, as a huge chessboard. I love solving things.
And yet, I say things like this about strategy games...

Maybe I'm just plain crazy :)
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awalterj: But then again, many strategy games have characters & stories so it can't be just that, now I'm confused.
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ddickinson: If you carry on like this your head will explode :-).

I also do not enjoy games like sim city or any city management type game. I also hated the Sims, couldn't stand it. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reason, but I just found them to be boring.
Since you're a self-confessed Warhammer fan, it's safe to say you're automatically classified as a clear case strategy gamer, even if you don't like Sim City!

About the head explosion risk: I might get tired and fall asleep before solving any mysteries but no explosions :)

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awalterj: A question for the girls here:

Why are strategy games, especially the combat type (both TBS and RTS) so seemingly unpopular with female audiences?
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Crewdroog: Too much happens too fast, I don't find managing battles and people fun AT ALL, and seeing all the "to do" things just pile up and pile up makes me insane. When I play these games it feels too much like work, and that is NOT what I want from a video game. Funny thing is, I feel like I should really like these games because I'm a huge history nerd. I'd love to play Crusader Kings and conquer Europe and see if I could do it any different than those who did, but it is just so tedious to me. I guess maybe it's that I want more instant gratification out of a game? Plus, I live for explosions.
Ha, I totally hear you! I loved Anno 1503 but I quit the campaign before finishing because it started to feel like tedious repetitive work, not stimulating my synapses enough and it just stopped being fun. Challenging or even hard games are great but when it starts to feel like work, I'm out. Regardless of how much I like the genre. Fun is paramount.
The add-on missions of Incubation for example are brutally hard but they are engaging and not dull like having to produce/trade tools, and more tools, and yet more tools in Anno 1503.
I would love to try out Crusader Kings as well (big time history fan as well) but I simply have no time for this. I almost bought the game but decided to buy Hearts of Iron 3 instead, a game that's even worse in terms of all the stuff you need to do in-game. No idea why I bought it, perfectly knowing I have no time.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by awalterj
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ddickinson:
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Crewdroog: I ask this of everyone: have you seen Berserk? If not, I highly recommend.

Actually, I think you are right, the anime I tend to watch I think is from the 90s and early 2000s, not much from today. I enjoyed Darker Than Black, Death Note and Mushishi (very strange, yet beautiful anime) and have watched half of Attack on Titan.

Oh, and I LOVE Miyazaki!!!!!!
oh interesting. can we have some female opinion about the following anime characters:

Kirika (from noir)

Mireille (from noir)

Margaret (from madlax)

Madlax (from madlax)

Nakhl (from madlax)
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awalterj: Yes, I'm positively confused now. You're sabotaging all my classification and statistics efforts :P
So you do like strategy but only if it's original and non-repetitive. But then again, King's Bounty and Banished aren't particularly original and they seem to have repetitive gameplay, too (as far as I get the impression, I haven't played Banished or any of the newest King's Bounty games)

BTW: there are people in Sim City, when there's a riot you can see all your lovable tax payers out on the street as a bunch of agitated pixels. In Sim City 2000, you could demolish the street behind and in front of them...that was fun.
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MadyNora: I love organizing stuff, and building strategies. I love seeing the whole world, both virtual and real, as a huge chessboard. I love solving things.
And yet, I say things like this about strategy games...

Maybe I'm just plain crazy :)
Hmm, people are multi-layered and that's good, however for the sake of my statistical research I decided to classify you as a strategy gamer but with a mostly disapproving opinion of the genre, so as of this moment we have 4 female members polled and the ratio is 1: 3 - One member generally in favor of the genre (ddickinson) and 3 generally critical about it (MadyNora, Sage103082 and Crewdroog)

But now that I think about it, this statistic stuff is useless as classifying people as "pro or contra" anything is way too simplistic. Knowing the reasons behind the choices is much more interesting, so thanks for the feedback so far!

I often have trouble deciding on what to vote for in my country because you can only vote "yes" or "no" and I very much dislike that, in many cases the topic is too complex to say yes or no. And now I'm conducting such a silly vote myself! Plus, I just realized that I pretty much agree with all the criticism you've all made, so technically I have to classify myself as contra strategy genre at this moment - or maybe I'm looking for an excuse so I won't have to play all the strategy games in my backlog!
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HijacK: Not to sound like a deuche, but you know what they say in Arizona? And just to be clear, I quote a huge number of people. "Women and children have more rights than men." and as a matter of fact it is not far from the truth. There is a huge bias and ignorance when it comes to domestic violence committed by wives and domestic violence committed by husbands. In most cases the husband goes to jail and can lose everything, while a wife that is abusive either walks away with a fee penalty, a restraint order, or literally walks away freely.

This is not to say I don't agree with what you have said. If anything, the example I provided reinforces what you have said.
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FearfulSymmetry: Meanwhile, in countries like Afghanistan, women are lynched for supposedly committing adultery.

Can we put this discussion to rest? This thread is supposed to be about games and favorite genres, and ddickinson has said that she would like to focus on that.
I'm sorry, but you're comparing a third world country in which Social Darwinism is almost law to a first world country. Do you really want me to even begin tell you how stupid that is? It delves into other issues way over more complicated, and I believe you are speaking only of the violence against women there, while I don't think you have any slight idea about the history, culture and pretty much influences Afghanistan had upon itself. Do you want me to make this a religious debate? Or are you unaware that many of Afghanistan's issues are also related to religion?
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HijacK: Pfff, what about them JRPGs with awesome hair colors and hairstyles? :P
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Crewdroog: JRPGs are typically turn based, right? Don't like turn based games, despite the hair colors and styles. they make me nuts.
Nope. That's a common misconception. I think I've seen more action based one than Turn Based.
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Ragnarblackmane: snip
Mere examples should not paint an entire issue in one color. If you think women are the only ones that are mistreated, I'll stop here. This is a subject in which I delved too many times to be interesting anymore.
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Ragnarblackmane: 1.LMAO, Arizona is one of the most racist, conservative and backwards states in the USA.
What does that have anything to do with the clear bias towards a gender? Racism is a whole different issues. Conservative? Don't know. Haven't traveled much around here.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by HijacK
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moonshineshadow: Wrong question :D It should be "How can you not like Morrowind" ;-)
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ET3D: The combat. That's what made me not play Morrowind.

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sunshinecorp: It wasn't Arena. :P
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ET3D: You mean Daggerfall. That's the Elder Scroll game I played the most. Shadowkey on the N-Gage was the second most played.
Pretty sure I meant Arena. I liked it much more than Daggerfall. But I played it when it came out, not sure what my feelings on it would be now.
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HijacK: Nope. That's a common misconception. I think I've seen more action based one than Turn Based.
I've played alot of JRPGs, and it's not really a misconception as much as it is an assumption.
Most JRPGs still follow a trend where a turn based battle system is used or a semi-active system some of them are still really good JRPGs even though they follow this format (Look at Bravely Default)

However, there are those that don't follow this trend. Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 are both very good JRPGs that don't use a turn based system. Same For Xenoblade (Though this has a semi-active system), Tales, Ys, The World Ends With You, Dragons Dogma and I think from memory Eternal Sonata. There's a few other mentionables but they're kinda meh.