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Posted October 20, 2014
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Potzato: Exactly. For instance, making different clothes for men or women is sexist. But there is nothing wrong here, on a general level it is accepted.
How is making different clothes discrimination?

Discrimination and prejudice imply something bad, and are part of the definition of sexism. Also, a dictionary definition doesn't determine what a word means, it reflects how the word is used. So if everyone uses a word a certain way, it's the dictionary definition which is wrong, not the way people use the word.
Posted October 20, 2014
I'm a guy, but +1 for another great giveaway! :)
Posted October 20, 2014
Just saw this. Great idea for a giveaway. I think I have hosted half a dozen giveaways and every winner has been a boy.

+1 for annoying Hedwards :)
Posted October 20, 2014
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sunshinecorp: Actually, to be a stickler, the word "sexism" only has negative meaning.
The GA itself is not sexist because it's just a fuckin' GA.
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Vestin: The word has a negative connotation.
The obvious problem with what you're suggesting is that we'd be arbitrarily disregarding the fact that something fits the dictionary definition just because we dislike the fact that it's associated with being something wrong.
"Sexist" isn't defined as "discriminating based on sex and BAD". The "bad" part comes from the fact that in a hell of a lot of cases that IS something bad. Not so here, but that doesn't mean that we should insist the term doesn't fit all of a sudden.
On the other hand - some people adore abusing this ambiguity to imply that things are bad just because they objectively fit a definition of something that is considered derogatory. I simply refuse to believe that the right course of action is to deny that a term has been used correctly purely because we don't want it apply in a particular case.
Word Origin and History for sexist
adj.

1965, from sex (n.) on model of racist, coined by Pauline M. Leet, director of special programs at Franklin & Marshall College, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, U.S., in a speech which was circulated in mimeograph among feminists. Popularized by use in print in Caroline Bird's introduction to "Born Female" (1968)

sexism
Syllabification: sex·ism
Pronunciation: /ˈsekˌsizəm

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noun
Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex: sexism in language is an offensive reminder of the way the culture sees women

Since we wanted dictionary definitions... :P

What ambiguity? It's a word. That was created to describe something entirely negative. Exactly like racism. Unless you want to tell me that racism is misunderstood as well.

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Vestin: The word has a negative connotation.
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"Sexist" isn't defined as "discriminating based on sex and BAD". The "bad" part comes from the fact that in a hell of a lot of cases that IS something bad. Not so here, but that doesn't mean that we should insist the term doesn't fit all of a sudden.
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Potzato: Exactly. For instance, making different clothes for men or women is sexist. But there is nothing wrong here, on a general level it is accepted.
The same could be said with 'parity', 'equality' and 'fairness' as these notions arose in thread earlier.

Making a GA for women only is fair. It would have been unfair to open it for everyone and giving favor to women (and yes, the irony is amusing).
Making another one for men enforces parity.
Having less women than men for the same prizes in each GA makes respective odds unequal ; but it has nothing to do with parity or fairness.

The important fact is that it is a GA, I mean it's a one way street. The matter would have been different for a trade or a sale.
See above. And I'm not calling this GA sexist btw. Far from it. I'm only replying to the fact that "sexist" cannot have a possitive connotation.
Post edited October 20, 2014 by sunshinecorp
Posted October 20, 2014
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hedwards: This unbelievably sexist. And anybody that repped the post up ought to be ashamed of themselves. Women get enough freebies thrown at them for no particularly good reason to begin with. I'd like to think that GOG would be a bit less sexist.
While I don't have strong feelings about this ( her(?) games, so she can make up whatever rules she wants for her giveaways ) I do think you have a point. Regular giveaways don't exclude girls, so I don't see a need for female-only giveaways, or any other giveaway limited to specific groups of the GOG userbase.

It's pointless anyway, since there's no way to proof your gender, unless she's asking people to send in pics of their girl-parts. :/

Oh, I know, quick someone make a giveaway exclusively for straight Caucasian males. I'm sure that will work out well. *goes to prepare some popcorn*
Posted October 20, 2014
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hedwards: This unbelievably sexist. And anybody that repped the post up ought to be ashamed of themselves. Women get enough freebies thrown at them for no particularly good reason to begin with. I'd like to think that GOG would be a bit less sexist.
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CharlesGrey: While I don't have strong feelings about this ( her(?) games, so she can make up whatever rules she wants for her giveaways ) I do think you have a point. Regular giveaways don't exclude girls, so I don't see a need for female-only giveaways, or any other giveaway limited to specific groups of the GOG userbase.

It's pointless anyway, since there's no way to proof your gender, unless she's asking people to send in pics of their girl-parts. :/

Oh, I know, quick someone make a giveaway exclusively for straight Caucasian males. I'm sure that will work out well. *goes to prepare some popcorn*
Maybe that's just a nazi looking for a date? :P
Posted October 20, 2014
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ddickinson: Calm down. As I said, there will be one for the guys as well. How is it sexist or unfair if I am hosting one for the women and one for them men?
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hedwards: Whether or not there's one for men later on or not, GOG is generally too classy for these sorts of contests that are based upon being born into the correct classification.
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MaximumBunny: Not sure if bringing all of the girls out of hiding and having a full list of them in a thread is a good idea. :P

Are you really really? Or is this just obfuscated sarcasm?
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hedwards: I assume you misquoted that. But, personally, I'm being serious. One of the reasons why I like GOG is that this sort of divisive contest doesn't pop up.
Again, don't see why this post got down-voted, since he's making a valid point. I like how everyone on GOG is just a gamer, regardless of gender, age, race, religion, nationality and so on. Oh yeah, and then there's tinyE. He's pretty all right too. :D
Posted October 20, 2014
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Heya, it's time to wave my hand again. Yep, known female. I've been around GOG since 2008, so at this point I might be Granny Gamer. :P

And I'll be in for a $5.99 game if you can make Momo be in to share a prize with! :)

I've been an RPG fan since I started playing pen-and-paper in the 80s. I also enjoy strategy (TBS over RTS), some action, and adventure games. I'm one of the martyrs to motion sickness, so most shooters are out of the question for me. I like creepy-scary/weird fiction games (Dark Fall, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter), but blood-for-blood's-sake is boring; gorefests don't interest me.

I even like the odd pinball game.

It's become far too easy for political correctness to run amok: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html?_r=0

I'm an archaeologist by profession. Science has reinforced what cultures have always told us: gender differences are real. Embrace them, celebrate them, laugh gently at and with each other. Let the differences reinforce our interconnectedness, instead of destroying it, because more than anything else, we are all sentient beings (I was gonna say humans, but then I remembered there are a few GOGlodytes who claim to be nonhuman or undead :D ).
Posted October 20, 2014
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hedwards: This unbelievably sexist. And anybody that repped the post up ought to be ashamed of themselves. Women get enough freebies thrown at them for no particularly good reason to begin with. I'd like to think that GOG would be a bit less sexist.
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CharlesGrey: While I don't have strong feelings about this ( her(?) games, so she can make up whatever rules she wants for her giveaways ) I do think you have a point. Regular giveaways don't exclude girls, so I don't see a need for female-only giveaways, or any other giveaway limited to specific groups of the GOG userbase.

It's pointless anyway, since there's no way to proof your gender, unless she's asking people to send in pics of their girl-parts. :/

Oh, I know, quick someone make a giveaway exclusively for straight Caucasian males. I'm sure that will work out well. *goes to prepare some popcorn*
Well, there will be a giveaway for the boys later, so no worries. :-D

Also many giveaways are exclusive in one way or the other, mainly towards new or unpopular users if there is a reputation requirement or an account age requirement. Giveaways that require you to write something that's a little longer my not be accessible for users whose native language isn't English.
Wasn't there even a giveaway that you couldn't participate in if you didn't own a certain game because you needed to play something?
Sure, these are hurdles that might be overcome more easily than changing your sex or gender but they are hurdles that exclude others nevertheless.

So let's enjoy the giveaways we have and don't judge them too harshly because you can nearly always find something to pick on. :-)
Posted October 20, 2014
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hedwards: Whether or not there's one for men later on or not, GOG is generally too classy for these sorts of contests that are based upon being born into the correct classification.

I assume you misquoted that. But, personally, I'm being serious. One of the reasons why I like GOG is that this sort of divisive contest doesn't pop up.
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CharlesGrey: Again, don't see why this post got down-voted, since he's making a valid point. I like how everyone on GOG is just a gamer, regardless of gender, age, race, religion, nationality and so on. Oh yeah, and then there's tinyE. He's pretty all right too. :D
The backlash was mostly caused because of his own sexist comment:
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hedwards: Women get enough freebies thrown at them for no particularly good reason to begin with.
Post edited October 20, 2014 by sunshinecorp
Posted October 20, 2014
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CharlesGrey: It's pointless anyway, since there's no way to proof your gender, unless she's asking people to send in pics of their girl-parts. :/
As if that was hard to forge or fool.

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CharlesGrey: Oh, I know, quick someone make a giveaway exclusively for straight Caucasian males. I'm sure that will work out well. *goes to prepare some popcorn*
Pffff, I'll have to do that at some point and examine the rage fest that it will spur.
Posted October 20, 2014
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CharlesGrey: It's pointless anyway, since there's no way to proof your gender, unless she's asking people to send in pics of their girl-parts. :/
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HijacK: As if that was hard to forge or fool.

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CharlesGrey: Oh, I know, quick someone make a giveaway exclusively for straight Caucasian males. I'm sure that will work out well. *goes to prepare some popcorn*
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HijacK: Pffff, I'll have to do that at some point and examine the rage fest that it will spur.
Are you still awake and watching YouTube videos?
Posted October 20, 2014
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HijacK: As if that was hard to forge or fool.

Pffff, I'll have to do that at some point and examine the rage fest that it will spur.
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sunshinecorp: Are you still awake and watching YouTube videos?
Nope. New day, new school day. Tons of tests and ain't nobody got time for them.
Posted October 20, 2014
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ET3D: So if everyone uses a word a certain way, it's the dictionary definition which is wrong, not the way people use the word.
In France, "everyone" may use a given word a certain way, as long as the "Académie Française" don't recognize it, it will be a misuse ; not sure of how English/American works.
I agree that 'living languages' evolve by definition, but don't say 'people are right dictionary is wrong', that is nonsensical. At best the dictionary you use is not up-to-date with modern usage of words, but "everyone" don't get to chose (or so they shouldn't).
We really shouldn't digress though. I wouldn't want to make this GA go sideways.
Posted October 20, 2014
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hedwards: This unbelievably sexist. And anybody that repped the post up ought to be ashamed of themselves. Women get enough freebies thrown at them for no particularly good reason to begin with. I'd like to think that GOG would be a bit less sexist.
Boy! Why be such a big baby. Turn about is fair play! Now they should understand how we women feel about being discriminated against.
Post edited October 20, 2014 by PrincessMilissa
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