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I'm in a crap-cutting mood, so here's my proposal: make lobbying illegal. Since a principal part of lobbying is paying politicians to vote in a way that your company finds more profitable (i.e. bribery), banning it and treating it what it is (i.e. bribery) will solve a good portion of the problem.
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Badash: Also, Bill Gates only created one of the most world changing(for the better) products in history, should we drag him out of his home and lynch him because he's worth billions?
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Magnitus: He did a lot, but let's be real... the software industry would have more than managed without him.

The contributions of mathematicians and theoretical scientists like Einstein, Gauss, Euler or Newton were a lot more far reaching, but these gents didn't get even 1% of the fortune Bill Gates got.

I find it's funny how some people have a grandiose idea of their place in the scheme of things... as if they can figure out anything that is so intricate or unique that nobody else in the hundreds of billions of people who now walk the Earth and who will walk the Earth can figure it out.

However, I'll give props to Mr Gates in that he probably realized his own insignificance when he decided to focus on charity instead of increasing his assets.

We are all small grains of sand in an extremely large beach so let's stop thinking of ourselves as gods and just try to contribute our insignificant little part while enjoying ourselves.
If those hundreds of billions of people could have done it then why didn't they? It's pretty simple. Don't complicate it.
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Magnitus: The contributions of mathematicians and theoretical scientists like Einstein, Gauss, Euler or Newton were a lot more far reaching, but these gents didn't get even 0.0001% of the fortune Bill Gates got.
Fixed your post.
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TheEnigmaticT: I'm off to go monkey around on camera. Let's keep this civil while I'm away so that we aren't horrifying anyone who comes by for a visit, eh?
Too late. I'm pretty horrified right now. This thread is so full of insanity, it's scary.
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TheEnigmaticT: I'm off to go monkey around on camera. Let's keep this civil while I'm away so that we aren't horrifying anyone who comes by for a visit, eh?
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Wishbone: Too late. I'm pretty horrified right now. This thread is so full of insanity, it's scary.
Oh come on, what's scary about wanting to murder people for being successful....

No idea why after posting in the thread multiple times the moderator hasn't taken it down for promoting violence and murder.
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XmXFLUXmX: The onion is a parody website, just fyi. Next time you want to explain why hard work is for the chumps, maybe try not to cite comedy websites.
I'm pretty sure he knows that. And there's no need to provide a citation for the claim that if everybody worked harder there wouldn't be any poor people as it's absurd on the face of it.

Just because it's a humor site doesn't mean that the article is any less true. The humor here isn't that they made it up, the humor is that they've given us common sense slipped in as a bit of satire. When the fact is that loyalty to one company doesn't guarantee anything these days and if everybody tried it then you would have no change in the situation.
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hedwards: (...) the humor is that they've given us common sense slipped in as a bit of satire.
I'd also like to point out that (and this is merely a conclusion I've recently reached) while "comedy is not meant to be taken seriously, satire is not meant to be taken literally".

Also - the forum ate my previous post made a few hours ago, so let me also mention the two things I pointed out there:

First of all - I found it tragic that the same person who lamented how all people care about is money suggested that the problem can be solved by redistributing it. In other words - he implicitly ascribed to the same "greed paradigm" he criticized :|.
Secondly - this is probably why my initial post in this thread received no attention. After all - throughout this discussion you all have implicitly assumed that money is what makes people happy and thus - we need to give unhappy people more money.
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uulav: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/apr/04/aki-kaurismaki-le-havre-interview

"The only way for mankind to get out of this misery is to kill the 1% who own everything. The 1% who have put us in the position where humanity has no value. The rich. And the politicians who are the puppies of the rich."

What you guys think about this drunken finnish artist? I think that violence is never justified no matter what is the case.
why bring politics to these forums.
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uulav: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/apr/04/aki-kaurismaki-le-havre-interview

"The only way for mankind to get out of this misery is to kill the 1% who own everything. The 1% who have put us in the position where humanity has no value. The rich. And the politicians who are the puppies of the rich."

What you guys think about this drunken finnish artist? I think that violence is never justified no matter what is the case.
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XmXFLUXmX: He sounds like your typical envious Communist. People with intelligence, ethics, cunning and who work hard in the business market should be rewarded if the customers deem so by buying their products or services. Successful people should not have to worry about becoming a victim of left-wing terrorism. That nutjob should be inside a prison wearing a straight jacket.


The "99%" need to quit doing drugs, quit listening to left-wing media, and just get a job or invest time and money into something, or better yet, start their own business, instead of demanding everything for free from the government.
Why the hell is this post down-repped? Seriously people... wtf
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Tychoxi: so you indiscriminately kill the richest 1% so that a different set of people can become the richest 1%? lol just lol
Then after that, we'll just get them! Then we'll get the next 1%! And the next! And then... and then...
Post edited April 05, 2012 by stoicsentry
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hedwards: (...) the humor is that they've given us common sense slipped in as a bit of satire.
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Vestin: I'd also like to point out that (and this is merely a conclusion I've recently reached) while "comedy is not meant to be taken seriously, satire is not meant to be taken literally".

Also - the forum ate my previous post made a few hours ago, so let me also mention the two things I pointed out there:

First of all - I found it tragic that the same person who lamented how all people care about is money suggested that the problem can be solved by redistributing it. In other words - he implicitly ascribed to the same "greed paradigm" he criticized :|.
Secondly - this is probably why my initial post in this thread received no attention. After all - throughout this discussion you all have implicitly assumed that money is what makes people happy and thus - we need to give unhappy people more money.
The issue isn't money, it's that the only way of getting things like food and shelter for many people involves money because there's a small portion of the population that owns everything.

People here in China seem to have a generally better standard of living in the parts of China I've been to than many Americans do. They don't have as much stuff, but they seem to have what they need in most cases. I see far fewer beggars here than I do in my home time. I don't know why that's the case, but it's a much, much lower number than what I'm accustomed to seeing.

The other major issue is that the top 1% are more concerned, by and large, with their own present state than with the future. They have no problem cannibalizing the means by which they got there if it buys them a small increase in their own financial status.
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Vestin: After all - throughout this discussion you all have implicitly assumed that money is what makes people happy and thus - we need to give unhappy people more money.
I don't see anyone implying or assuming that more money equals more happiness, but I do see people drawing parallels between amount of money owned\earned and comfort of living.
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hedwards: The issue isn't money, it's that the only way of getting things like food and shelter for many people involves money because there's a small portion of the population that owns everything.
That's... very loose use of the term "everything".

I was wondering whether it was necessary for me to mention that money has its uses and that its profound shortage can be devastating... It's obvious that those less fortunate should be helped - we're not animals.
Anyway - that's not the point. I was merely vaguely pointing out its place in ("our" ? "Western" ?) culture.
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Magnitus: He did a lot, but let's be real... the software industry would have more than managed without him.

The contributions of mathematicians and theoretical scientists like Einstein, Gauss, Euler or Newton were a lot more far reaching, but these gents didn't get even 1% of the fortune Bill Gates got.

I find it's funny how some people have a grandiose idea of their place in the scheme of things... as if they can figure out anything that is so intricate or unique that nobody else in the hundreds of billions of people who now walk the Earth and who will walk the Earth can figure it out.

However, I'll give props to Mr Gates in that he probably realized his own insignificance when he decided to focus on charity instead of increasing his assets.

We are all small grains of sand in an extremely large beach so let's stop thinking of ourselves as gods and just try to contribute our insignificant little part while enjoying ourselves.
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Badash: If those hundreds of billions of people could have done it then why didn't they? It's pretty simple. Don't complicate it.
Discoveries are not done in a vacuum, but are done based on the body of knowledge currently available to the would be discoverer.

This can be observed in fields that are as abstract as mathematics which I have studied in some detail and is evidenced by multiple occurrences of independent discoveries that are nearly simultaneous in time.

But for a more obvious and blatant example, software advances were previously impossible without the existence of computers and the creation of computers was impossible without the necessary advances in physics.

Because someone was the first to discover something doesn't mean they were the only one that at a shot at discovering it and to believe otherwise is to place too much weight on individuals imho.

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Magnitus: The contributions of mathematicians and theoretical scientists like Einstein, Gauss, Euler or Newton were a lot more far reaching, but these gents didn't get even 0.0001% of the fortune Bill Gates got.
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spindown: Fixed your post.
You are most likely correct. I was being conservative in my estimate to stall objections.
Post edited April 05, 2012 by Magnitus
I know this thread is about the 1%, but what about the rest of us? I'm going to assume that given that we're on a gaming forum that all or most people here are part of western culture, so excuse me. Think of the 1%. Think of how they seem to us. Now think of us, and how we seem to the rest of this so called "99%". Face it. We're rich ourselves, relative to the rest of the world! While we're hating on people who are "rich" to us, the rest of the human population would love to inject their opinion of us into this thread, only they can't even afford a computer! So why can't we just stop hating on JUST the "1%" and instead take into account our own fortunes? Even if you're in tough financial times right now, you probably have a better standard of living then say, the average worker in China. So instead of getting all mad at the 1%, maybe we could just be thankful for what we have compared to persons in less-developed countries, and maybe even converse about how we can redistribute ALL of our own wealth with the entirety of the world.
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MinuteBracelet: I know this thread is about the 1%, but what about the rest of us? I'm going to assume that given that we're on a gaming forum that all or most people here are part of western culture, so excuse me. Think of the 1%. Think of how they seem to us. Now think of us, and how we seem to the rest of this so called "99%". Face it. We're rich ourselves, relative to the rest of the world! While we're hating on people who are "rich" to us, the rest of the human population would love to inject their opinion of us into this thread, only they can't even afford a computer! So why can't we just stop hating on JUST the "1%" and instead take into account our own fortunes? Even if you're in tough financial times right now, you probably have a better standard of living then say, the average worker in China. So instead of getting all mad at the 1%, maybe we could just be thankful for what we have compared to persons in less-developed countries, and maybe even converse about how we can redistribute ALL of our own wealth with the entirety of the world.
I resent SOME members of the top 1%, not because of their wealth, but because of the policies they try to drive with their wealth in order to increase it, not to mention some dubious practices that are done to save a buck (exportation of labor to cheaper places, unpaid overtime, lousy environmental practices, screwing states over for their non-renewable natural resources, etc).

We are closer to being a third world nations then many would like you to believe (peak oil, climate change, out of control debts because the wealthy don't want to pay their taxes, having no local demand or local industry because the bulk of our labor is exported, etc).

But yeah, if you can make a buck being a nice guy without screwing people over, then all the more power to you I say.
Post edited April 05, 2012 by Magnitus