I understand that. What I'm angry at is that as far as I known only we here in Sweden have it as a tradition to air this at Christmas and there have never been a problem here. So just because it's a problem somewhere why do they cut it everywhere? If they want to cut it when airing somewhere that there's a problem I don't mind it being cut but cutting it when airing it somewhere where it's no issue is just forcing your view of things on others.

Yeah Disney is a big US corporation and base its operations on that. It's usual business. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Yeah, they should bring it back! I mean look at this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface what's the harm?

Covering your eyes and shouting "lalalalala" doesn't make a problem disappear. Censoring remains censoring, everyone is poorer because of it.

Maybe Disney is just trying to fix some things?

Honestly I think people should just chill out and relax. This is a CARTOON from NINETEEN THIRTY TWO! Have people really complained about that 7 second scene? Honestly. I'm more offended that santa stamps the dolls knickers with "OK" more then the doll itself, and even then, I'm not gonna get a bug up my butt over it.

Classic cartoons have been getting edited and censored for years.

Take the original Tom & Jerry cartoons or even Loony Toons from the 30's - 50's they are still aired but are heavily censored for violence and things that could be deemed culturally/racially sensitive. Hell many of these classics have about 50% of the content cut out when it is aired these days.

Plus many cartoons from that time period are not shown at all except in special collector sets which include lots of warnings and disclaimers about them being from a different time and understanding.

Everyone is constantly ramming their morals down each other"s throats. That is just how people are. Disney aren't the only people guilty of this.

lol morals, dont worry about that kids now a days will have their moral screwed regardless of watching disney or not

This is actually the second time they cut out that doll. They returned it after protests from the public last time.

And if the black doll was not okay, why the heck were the Chinese dolls okay? (4:49 in this video) They should have cut those out to, now they just look like hypocrites. Heck, they should have cut out the whole segment while they were at it.


There was actually a pretty heated debate here in Sweden this year in regards to censoring old works. The consensus that we ended up with was basically that no, you should not censor old works just because they contain some somewhat racist stereotypes, because they are still important artifacts of their time, and as long as they are not incredibly offensive should still be publicly available in libraries and such. And I think this segment falls under that category, it is not incredibly offensive, and it is an artifact of its time. Also, the people who complain about it being offensive are almost all white.

The P.C. mafia have really been on edge this year, attacking everything that might be considered mildly offensive, sometimes completely missing the point of the things they complain about. The screaming black cake is a good example. The artist who designed it was using it to protest against a practice in his home country, he was making a statement with it, and all the P.C. mafia could see was "SWEDISH POLITICIAN CUTS GENITALIA OF CAKE SHAPED LIKE BLACK WOMAN".

bowdlerization. It happens.

Dropping transmission is better than editing, at least.

What about the charlie chaplin doll? (I assume it's charlie chaplin anyways...) Isn't that a terribly out of date reference? Shouldn't that have been cut? or what about the marching band being all black dolls? Is that some sort of stereotype I don't know about? Or maybe.. *GASP* It's NOT RACIST? [sarcasm]No no, everything's racist! It has to be some kind of racist reference![/sarcasm] Oh wait! The elephant is green! No no that's all wrong, that should be cut. The donkey is blue! Cut that too!

My point is, where does it end? It's just a stupid little cartoon that was made in 1932. If you have that much of a problem with it,, then discontinue it completely and let people discover it on their own. I'd rather have it be "disowned" by disney then censored. It's the same with anything that is censored or modified. Like anime when it comes over to the US, but now I'm getting off track and I'll stop now.

In this case, I'd say there'sa problem as long as people get offended just by such a stereotypical characters (in appearance) in a 1935 cartoon, or that some company feels that way. The problem is not that such cartoon is shown.

When I was in Sweden, I saw e.g. some TV commercials which I'd say were quite demeaning towards Finns, much more so than that clip was to other minorities. So what, we also laugh back at Swedes, those la-di-da homos. :) Maybe in 30 years, those TV commercials are destroyed as offensive towards Finnish minorities in Sweden.

Actual hate speech and actions towards minorities are a different subject. And I don't feel any big injustice was performed in this case either, I just roll my eyes that such retroactive self-censorship was applied.

(Then again, some earlier messages had a very good point that should old artifacts be altered because someone might find them offensive today? Bikinis to Venus de Milo? Or why is that Manneken Pis still waving his tiny pecker around?)

http://www.google.fi/search?q=milo%27s+venus&hl=fi&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Ya_YUI-yMrT24QSO6YDIBA&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1594&bih=985

Some people, like myself, care about preservation of the past. I don't mind censoring the Tv broadcasts too much, but most of the time Disney also censor the video releases and do not make originals available at all.

Just off hand, why do you think it was Disney that cut it instead of your local broadcastign agencies?
I'm totally on board with this, making it unavailable for OTA broadcast is one thing, making it unavailable at all is a no-no, we need to be able to understand our history and culture, even the parts we're not so proud of in retrospect.