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Wishbone: Please tell me that's a Poe's Law site, and is not meant to be taken seriously! :-/

Nope, it's a serious, conservative's answer to Wikipedia's perceived liberal bias. Though I remember that the admins do face difficulties in distinguishing between the genuine die-hard conservative contributors and the poe contributors looking for some lulz.
Anything that counters the tactics and clout of the insane liberal/PC zealots of our times and pisses them off is good and fair. Liberals are far, far, far worse and far more obnoxious with their perversion of history and society.
Post edited March 17, 2010 by Chihaya
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Chihaya: Anything that counters the tactics and clout of the insane liberal/PC zealots of our times and pisses them off is good and fair. Liberals are far, far, far worse and far more obnoxious with their perversion of history and society.

What are you talking about?
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Wraith: ...

Who controls the past controls the future.
And he who controls the Spice controls the universe!
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Wraith: Essentially, this boils down to the age old story of politics. Republicans are the one who pushed this through, and are using this as an excuse to push their opinions on others and allow history to be told through one viewpoint.

I am sure there is more you could have written, but this is not a one sided issue. By declaring what you believe is the correct interpretation of which group is responsible for what, you run the risk of doing exactly what you write against; "...using this as an excuse to push their opinions on others ..".
Not trying to get into a debate, just a simple observation.
In my view, the contentions around the teaching history in schools could be avoided if the teaching of Philosophy was also made a compulsory subject. As Aliasalpha pointed out, education should not be so much about the answers as it should be about the questions.
More and more arguments are arising these days over the 'dangers' of ideologies or knowledge that is not currently conducive to keeping the status quo, as if knowledge itself was a dangerous thing. Philosophy would teach pupils that differences of opinion are perfectly natural, arguments are a good thing, and the restriction of knowledge without debate will only stagnate or regress our society.
There, all that and I haven't even had my first coffee of the morning.
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Wraith: ...
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Bodkin: Who controls the past controls the future.

I think the quote is "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past"
Its kind of interesting that a discussion on a totally different topic on gamepolitics dredged up this remarkably fitting quote from Alpha Centauri
"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
- Commissioner Pravin Lal
Post edited March 17, 2010 by Aliasalpha
That one from Pravin Lal is one of my favourite quotes from any game, especially considering current events. Was going to post it here too, but felt I would be getting off topic a bit.
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Lobsang1979: In my view, the contentions around the teaching history in schools could be avoided if the teaching of Philosophy was also made a compulsory subject. As Aliasalpha pointed out, education should not be so much about the answers as it should be about the questions.
More and more arguments are arising these days over the 'dangers' of ideologies or knowledge that is not currently conducive to keeping the status quo, as if knowledge itself was a dangerous thing. Philosophy would teach pupils that differences of opinion are perfectly natural, arguments are a good thing, and the restriction of knowledge without debate will only stagnate or regress our society.
There, all that and I haven't even had my first coffee of the morning.

As "fun" as that sounds, there is a reason that philosophy is usually taught at College-level and higher (some high schools have philosophy courses, but most don't).
You want to know why? Go look at ANY 100-level Philosophy course in a college. Or at anyone who just took one or two courses to fulfill requirements. People think they know stuff, when they don't. Philosophy courses don't make people think "I can ask questions now". They make people think "Ha, I can answer questions now. I am right because So-And-So said something similar 300 years ago! Admittedly, So-And-So was talking about why monkeys throw poo, but whatever."
Now, imagine a bunch of (younger) kids who think they know everything because they read about Utilitarianism.
Knowledge is great. But let's wait as long as we can until we give people the tools to "create" knowledge, as it were. The stronger the foundation, the less likely they are to think they can fix the wold with half-baked ideas.
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Bodkin: Who controls the past controls the future.
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Aliasalpha: I think the quote is "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past"
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I bet the poster was going for the Rage Against The Machine - Testify iteration of that Orwell quote.
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Aliasalpha: "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
- Commissioner Pravin Lal

As an Australian, this quote must be particularly meaningful for you right now.
Why would we have to teach university level Philosophy at high school? Knowledge is a progressive thing that is gathered over the course of a lifetime. Pupils do not learn all there is to know about quantum mechanics or electromagnetic forces when they are 11 years old, but instead learn the basics of physics upon which to build an understanding of the world we live in.
I do not think that a pupil should be fluent in the philosophical schools upon graduating high school, but a grasp of philosophical debate and though processes would be just as beneficial as the ability to use correct grammar or demonstrate ability in public speaking. The current education system in the UK drives kids to be scientifically successful, because that is what is good for our economy supposedly. Yet many school-leavers I meet here are extremely immature when it comes their moral or dare I say, even, spiritual aspects. There is more to life, in my view, than converting knowledge into money or success.
I certainly agree with your premise that the more an individual knows, the greater the temptation to show arrogance with that knowledge. I was far more arrogant as a 20 year old than I am now as a 30 year old, for example. However, the idea that adults are less likely to formulate half-baked ideas than young people are makes me smile. Some of the most shockingly stupid ideologies of the modern world have been formed by well-educated, yet philosophically neutered, individuals.
By the way, when I say 'Philosophy', I do not necessarily mean the Classics or the various schools. I mean "the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language".
Any form of historical revisionism is bad. But their reasoning is typically pathetic of fundies - not enough religion. Fucking idiots.
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Lobsang1979: Why would we have to teach university level Philosophy at high school? Knowledge is a progressive thing that is gathered over the course of a lifetime. Pupils do not learn all there is to know about quantum mechanics or electromagnetic forces when they are 11 years old, but instead learn the basics of physics upon which to build an understanding of the world we live in.
I do not think that a pupil should be fluent in the philosophical schools upon graduating high school, but a grasp of philosophical debate and though processes would be just as beneficial as the ability to use correct grammar or demonstrate ability in public speaking. The current education system in the UK drives kids to be scientifically successful, because that is what is good for our economy supposedly. Yet many school-leavers I meet here are extremely immature when it comes their moral or dare I say, even, spiritual aspects. There is more to life, in my view, than converting knowledge into money or success.
I certainly agree with your premise that the more an individual knows, the greater the temptation to show arrogance with that knowledge. I was far more arrogant as a 20 year old than I am now as a 30 year old, for example. However, the idea that adults are less likely to formulate half-baked ideas than young people are makes me smile. Some of the most shockingly stupid ideologies of the modern world have been formed by well-educated, yet philosophically neutered, individuals.
By the way, when I say 'Philosophy', I do not necessarily mean the Classics or the various schools. I mean "the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language".

Oh, I fully agree that adults can be just as prone to thinking they can fix the world with half-baked ideas as children.
And you think people need more morality and the like: Guess what, these guys agree with you :p. Hell, I technically agree as well. Guess what the purpose of wanting to teach religion in school is? Teaching morality.
If all you mean is "learning how to learn", then that IS school. I know in the US, teachers teach for tests, not education. And I suspect that is similar around the world (easiest way to measure the competency of a school is standardized testing...). And there is no way to fix that without opening another can of worms.
But either way, that knowledge is not exclusive to philosophy. You can learn that from anything. Teach a kid how to figure out the patterns of the multiplication table. Teach a kid how to apply their knowledge of math to their knowledge of physics (and vice versa). Teach a kid how to notice the similarities between historical events. You don't need a specific class for that, just better teachers.