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misteryo: When did they offer Back to the Future Collector DVDs? What offer are you referring to?
Back when I ordered it. They used to do this with all of their games.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101203060431/http://www.telltalegames.com/store/backtothefuture
Post edited January 17, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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Maighstir: There never was one for Sam & Max season 3 either, was there? i was waiting for that one (as I have the first two - I wanted the comic book too, thinking I'd get that together with the third season hardcopy, but perhaps the comic is still on sale).
Sam & Max Season 3 had a DVD. I have all three seasons on my shelf. They opened orders for it in September 2010 and the first shipments went out in December.

I don't know when they stopped offering it, but I have an e-mail from December 2011 which suggests they still had all the DVDs available at that time.
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misteryo: When did they offer Back to the Future Collector DVDs? What offer are you referring to?
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SirPrimalform: Back when I ordered it. They used to do this with all of their games.
So... three years ago?
I never got my Back To The Future DVD either, was waiting for a good opportunity to get Sam & Max Season 1 so I could get the DVD for that, too. That really blows. Their whole store is pretty much gone now, all they're selling are games. Good thing I got Sam & Max Surfin The Highway and the Season 3 poster pack before the purge.
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Siannah: Let me get this straight: you bought it but didn't requested (for whatever reason) the DVD at that time. Now you suddenly demand fullfillment of contract ...
- how much time inbetween are we talking about - game is out 3 years? You can't expect someone to keep paying for storeroom until you see it fitting to collect your stuff years later.
- you stated you just hadn't paid shipping - again, was it mandatory (you failling to fullfill contract requirements) and timeframe inbetween (repeated failling)?
No deadline was given and if they wanted to get my copy out of their store room they could have let me know. Disappearing my copy without even telling me is not acceptable. The shipping was just to ship what was already my property to my house.
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misteryo: So... three years ago?
Yes. I don't see a problem with that. If they wanted to impose a deadline they should have made that known. 3 years isn't that long in the grand scheme of things.
Post edited January 17, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: Complain to TTG, they still owe you the disc. Besides, it would back me up. :P
I'm not completely sure it'd hold up, it's not stated on my receipt (which season 1 & 2 DVDs are). The third DVD most likely hadn't been manufactured yet, but I'd hoped I'd be able to get it when it was ready.

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SirPrimalform: By the way, if anyone's wondering why it took me so long to order the DVD it's because what I used to do was wait until I had a few DVDs ready to order to save on shipping.
Yeah, shipping is insane.
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SirPrimalform: I just heard back from Telltale support and they're refusing to honour their collectors' DVD thing. I'm really pissed off about this because as far as I'm concerned I'd already paid for it, I just hadn't paid the shipping yet. If they won't send me my disc then I'm asking for a refund.
Check your confirmation email. I bought ToMI and BttF directly from TellTale and the email explicitly says " + Standard DVD". That represents the contract you concluded with TellTale. If they have taken your money and are refusing to fulfil their end of the contract, you have the right to take action for breach of contract.

Whether this amounts to actually filing suit is another thing, but you can drop subtle hints that you're not going to take that lying down. It's about time people like that started facing up to the fact that they cannot play fast and loose with contractual obligations as seems to be the case in the gaming industry at the moment.
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Siannah: Let me get this straight: you bought it but didn't requested (for whatever reason) the DVD at that time. Now you suddenly demand fullfillment of contract ...
- how much time inbetween are we talking about - game is out 3 years? You can't expect someone to keep paying for storeroom until you see it fitting to collect your stuff years later.
- you stated you just hadn't paid shipping - again, was it mandatory (you failling to fullfill contract requirements) and timeframe inbetween (repeated failling)?
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SirPrimalform: No deadline was given and if they wanted to get my copy out of their store room they could have let me know. Disappearing my copy without even telling me is not acceptable. The shipping was just to ship what was already my property to my house.
Yeah, I don't know about that. If it really is three years we're talking about, then I think you're out of luck. If they ran out of DVDs in the intervening three years, they certainly aren't going to produce new ones now.

If you can produce terms and conditions language that support your claim that their original offer includes keeping a reserve DVD on their shelf forever, well... I find it hard to believe that you can.

If they really wanted to be nice, they could refund your original purchase money, but you did receive the game, right? So, I'm not sure this would be a great move on their part either.

If I were customer support for them, I would look for some freebie I could give you now as an offer of good will, and I would explain that there is nothing possible to do about the DVD.
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SirPrimalform: By the way, if anyone's wondering why it took me so long to order the DVD it's because what I used to do was wait until I had a few DVDs ready to order to save on shipping.
Completely understandable.
Problem is, you didn't fullfill your end of the agreement (paying for shipping and handling) for quite some time. Just because there isn't a specifical timeframe stated until you have to fullfill that, it doesn't automatically get extended ad infinitum nor does that imply, that they have to keep their end up as long. Probably every court would call for a timeframe that's usually considered standard as applicable and 3 years..... seems to be a wee bit beyond of that.
Post edited January 17, 2014 by Siannah
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Siannah: Completely understandable.
Problem is, you didn't fullfill your end of the agreement (paying for shipping and handling) for quite some time. Just because there isn't a specifical timeframe stated until you have to fullfill that, it doesn't automatically get extended ad infinitum nor does that imply, that they have to keep their end up as long. Probably every court would call for a timeframe that's usually considered standard as applicable and 3 years..... seems to be a wee bit beyond of that.
Actually, now I count it it's only been 2 years from the 27th of August 2013 so it's less than 2 and a half years at the moment. I'm also not sure when they took the store down but I first asked about how to get my DVD on the 18th of October 2013 so it was only 2 years and a couple of months at that point. Obviously the store was taken down prior to that.

Point is, I consider it unreasonable for them to have disappeared my DVD without any warning. No deadline was given at the time and no warning was given in between then and the point at which I discovered I couldn't get it any longer.
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Maighstir: I'm not completely sure it'd hold up, it's not stated on my receipt (which season 1 & 2 DVDs are). The third DVD most likely hadn't been manufactured yet, but I'd hoped I'd be able to get it when it was ready.
And you were entitled to it when it was ready and with no time limit they still owe you something. With seasons 1 & 2 did you pay for the shipping at the time you bought the downloads? Because that would account for the DVDs being mentioned on the receipts. Your purchase of season 3 still entitled you to a DVD though.
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jamyskis: Check your confirmation email. I bought ToMI and BttF directly from TellTale and the email explicitly says " + Standard DVD". That represents the contract you concluded with TellTale. If they have taken your money and are refusing to fulfil their end of the contract, you have the right to take action for breach of contract.

Whether this amounts to actually filing suit is another thing, but you can drop subtle hints that you're not going to take that lying down. It's about time people like that started facing up to the fact that they cannot play fast and loose with contractual obligations as seems to be the case in the gaming industry at the moment.
You must have bought them after the DVDs had been manufactured (or I guess put down shipping in advance?). I tended to wait until I had about 3 discs before paying for the combined shipping.
Post edited January 17, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: You must have bought them after the DVDs had been manufactured (or I guess put down shipping in advance?). I tended to wait until I had about 3 discs before paying for the combined shipping.
So I'm guessing that your order confirmation didn't explicitly mention the DVDs?

That's why you need everything in black and white, even if it's just an email.
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SirPrimalform: And you were entitled to it when it was ready and with no time limit they still owe you something. With seasons 1 & 2 did you pay for the shipping at the time you bought the downloads? Because that would account for the DVDs being mentioned on the receipts. Your purchase of season 3 still entitled you to a DVD though.
No, paid shipping when I actually ordered the DVD's.

Edit: I think. Was a long time ago. I seem to only have one receipt on the telltale site.

Edit2: You're likely right, I probably did pay for everything at once, since the signed posters are also there.

(I can't think straight, I'll blame the three beers I've had and me being a cheap drunk)
Post edited January 17, 2014 by Maighstir
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misteryo: Yeah, I don't know about that. If it really is three years we're talking about, then I think you're out of luck. If they ran out of DVDs in the intervening three years, they certainly aren't going to produce new ones now.
They continued to offer Sam & Max season 1 DVDs for years after its release, 2 years is nothing compared to that. Not only that but looking at the Wayback Machine, they were offering BttF DVDs in August 2013, they only vanished in September.

Would you consider me to be more entitled to what I paid for if I bought the game in August 2013? I'd still be in the same situation. The point is, no warning was given at all that the DVDs were going to vanish over night.

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SirPrimalform: You must have bought them after the DVDs had been manufactured (or I guess put down shipping in advance?). I tended to wait until I had about 3 discs before paying for the combined shipping.
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jamyskis: So I'm guessing that your order confirmation didn't explicitly mention the DVDs?

That's why you need everything in black and white, even if it's just an email.
No, because they DVDs hadn't been made at that point. However, the Wayback Machine makes it clear that the DVD was still part of what I paid for, I was just pre-ordering it.
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Maighstir: No, paid shipping when I actually ordered the DVD's.

Edit: I think. Was a long time ago. I seem to only have one receipt on the telltale site.
Hmm, my Sam & Max season 1 & 2 order confirmations don't mention DVDs despite them already being available when I bought the games.
Post edited January 17, 2014 by SirPrimalform
EDIT: I'm sorry, my response was overblown. It doesn't matter that much.
Post edited January 17, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: For some reason, someone who wasn't affected by this issue decided to email a link to this thread to Telltale, as if I wanted that but was incapable of doing it myself.

So, thanks for that.
Well, that was me. I'm sorry if you feel slighted. But I thought that I was helping. I certainly didn't mean to insult you.

Why wouldn't you want customer support to see this thread? Companies care about bad publicity, and they might be more likely to help, knowing that their actions are now public.