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About practical application of science: I believe that should be considered a bonus, not a goal by itself. Science is for science alone. We need no excuses for studying the reality in which we are part. We never know what waits to be discovered, and we will probably never know unless we go look.
Post edited June 19, 2011 by Skystrider
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Vestin: As soon as I saw the topic, I figured it will be a thread full of people who like science making fun of people who don't like science -_-.
Well, at least they're not making fun of Aristotle...
i don't think anyone is making fun of people who don't like science.

we make fun of people who are morons.
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Damnation: ... a teleporter would be fucking sweet!). ...
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Adzeth: Maybe a magic one that transfers the whole body intact, but wouldn't the one that picks people apart and rebuilds them somewhere else be like killing the original guy and making a clone of him elsewhere? The clone wouldn't know any better and would probably think he's the original guy, but the original guy would actually be dead (though with a clone around, would anyone else care).
That is indeed true, but that just means we have aa machine for all the stupid american teenagers to use
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Vestin: Well, at least they're not making fun of Aristotle...
Slaves and masters, buddy. Slaves and masters. ; )

But then, how many people have actually read anything by Aristotle?
Argh, that conversation has just crushed what last bit of hope I had for the world. Still... I'm betting that by this point thousands of people have told them that they're idiots, so maybe they'll have the decency to not have children.
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nmillar: They seem to think Stephen Hawking is American; is this because of his accent?
They're not the only ones: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/hawking_british_and_alive/
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Deus_Ex: Hmm, aren't all americans a bit geographically challenged? Their nation has basically built itself into a bubble where seemingly no one has any reason to venture or know anything outside their own country? I head that the majority of Americans don't have a passport (though I can't remember if that's true or not) and basically when you are not being challenged to think differently or you can avoid confrontation with issues not relevant to your own interests (with even interests being very narrow because of your surroundings) you develop into a narrow-minded being. Some teenagers thankfully notice this and aren't satisfied with having opinions fed to them, instead they try to think for themselves and try to educate themselves.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that you're more or less the product of your surroundings, at least a big part of you is, and that when you lack certain stimulants you don't have the resources necessary to form what we would think of as an educated opinion.
Well, that is a bit of a myth perpetuated by some street interviews, particularly in big cites. The same has been done in European cities and Asia with similar geographic knowledge results.

The idea that most Americans don't have passports is probably true, but in reality they never needed them until recently. Up until a dozen years ago or so travel to the Mexico, Canada and many Caribbean nations did not require a passport. The reason most Europeans have passports is geography and history. Smaller countries, clustered together, each with unique cultures, languages and physical geography. I am not sure if this has changed since the formation of the E.U., but for sometime passports were required for travel between European countries. Especially between the big wars. During the big wars you only needed a gun and special government sanctioned travel arrangements. Also, locations in Africa, the middle east and Russia though relatively close, still required passports for travel.

The USA has an very diverse geography, both cultural and physical. Each state has it's own history and cultural identity-- the nation is not as homogenous as it might appear in some media. Each state, especially those separated by other states, can be strikingly different culturally, even in laguage. Also, the USA is made up of people from all over the world and every walk of life, each bringing their own view point and culture. People here are being challenged to think differently everyday through many multi-cultural interactions and a vast majority of those do not end up in fights.

Not to mention the Internet gives us all the ability to communicate freely across the world, giving us the ability to challenge each others preconceptions, regardless of your surroundings.

You can not let a couple of teenage yahoos on facebook define the country as a whole, that would be a grievous fallacy of composition. It is very difficult to have a narrow point of view here and get away with it. True, there are teenagers who can think for themselves, in fact those two in the facebook posts are doing just that (how ever ridiculous they might be), but you do not need a passport, be a world traveler or "not-an-American" to be able to think for your self or have your point of view challeged.
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Adzeth: Maybe a magic one that transfers the whole body intact, but wouldn't the one that picks people apart and rebuilds them somewhere else be like killing the original guy and making a clone of him elsewhere? The clone wouldn't know any better and would probably think he's the original guy, but the original guy would actually be dead (though with a clone around, would anyone else care).
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Delixe: An actual teleporter would indeed kill the original and make a copy. The Star Trek Transporter or the Doctor Who Transmat doesn't but then that's fiction.
Wasn't there a TNG episode where it turned out that there was another Riker who got left on a planet because of some transporter problem? The Riker who returned to the ship couldn't possibly be the same one which would lead me to believe that you're being recreated every time you materialise. Of course, I'm far from being a hardcore ST fan and so I have no idea what the faux-technical explanation for how the transporter works is. I'm probably wrong.
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Vestin: As soon as I saw the topic, I figured it will be a thread full of people who like science making fun of people who don't like science -_-.
Well, at least they're not making fun of Aristotle...
As lukaszthegreat said, I don't think we're making fun of people who don't like science, or even people who are ignorant of it. We're making fun of people who are being highly critical of stuff they know they don't understand, and that they are seemingly proud of not understanding.
Post edited June 19, 2011 by SirPrimalform
It looked like there were many different words, but all I read was "derp derp derp derp".
future voters, yay
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swaimiac: The idea that most Americans don't have passports is probably true, but in reality they never needed them until recently. Up until a dozen years ago or so travel to the Mexico, Canada and many Caribbean nations did not require a passport. The reason most Europeans have passports is geography and history. Smaller countries, clustered together, each with unique cultures, languages and physical geography. I am not sure if this has changed since the formation of the E.U., but for sometime passports were required for travel between European countries. Especially between the big wars. During the big wars you only needed a gun and special government sanctioned travel arrangements. Also, locations in Africa, the middle east and Russia though relatively close, still required passports for travel.
In the EU, you need some form of photocard ID to travel between countries. This is usually a passport, but in countries where a national ID card scheme operates, you can use that instead. Passports aren't stamped when you cross borders. Some other countries are in a similar scheme to the EU for movement of people and trade, Switzerland being the obvious one.

Speaking as a UK person, passports are almost an essential item for us, they are the main form of ID since we do not have national ID cards, and are required for when you start work at most jobs.
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SirPrimalform: Wasn't there a TNG episode where it turned out that there was another Riker who got left on a planet because of some transporter problem? The Riker who returned to the ship couldn't possibly be the same one which would lead me to believe that you're being recreated every time you materialise. Of course, I'm far from being a hardcore ST fan and so I have no idea what the faux-technical explanation for how the transporter works is. I'm probably wrong.
Yes there are two Rikers in Trek canon, the 'clone' named himself Thomas Riker. Trek uses various Treknobabble like Heisenberg Compensators to explain how the person is transmitted through a matter stream rather than destroyed and remade. Of course never let that get in the way of a story and that's what transporter malfunctions are for.
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Delixe: Yes there are two Rikers in Trek canon, the 'clone' named himself Thomas Riker. Trek uses various Treknobabble like Heisenberg Compensators to explain how the person is transmitted through a matter stream rather than destroyed and remade. Of course never let that get in the way of a story and that's what transporter malfunctions are for.
Transporters kill you and use native material on the planet to remake you. Do not listen to the Starfleet propaganda that tries to tell you anything different; notice that the heads of the organization keep their asses firmly planted on Earth and use shuttles all the time.

Starfleet is the devil. Join the Galactic Empire instead. The rebels say we're evil, but what have we ever done to prove them right?
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nondeplumage: Transporters kill you and use native material on the planet to remake you. Do not listen to the Starfleet propaganda that tries to tell you anything different; notice that the heads of the organization keep their asses firmly planted on Earth and use shuttles all the time.
Transporters convert matter to energy, that energy is then transported via a matter stream to a point on a planet where it is re-converted to matter. It doesn't kill you it transports you as the name implies. Don't listen to people like Doctor McCoy who are simply luddites.
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lukaszthegreat: i don't think anyone is making fun of people who don't like science.

we make fun of people who are morons.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If it makes you feel better about yourselves...
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swaimiac: The idea that most Americans don't have passports is probably true, but in reality they never needed them until recently. Up until a dozen years ago or so travel to the Mexico, Canada and many Caribbean nations did not require a passport. The reason most Europeans have passports is geography and history. Smaller countries, clustered together, each with unique cultures, languages and physical geography. I am not sure if this has changed since the formation of the E.U., but for sometime passports were required for travel between European countries. Especially between the big wars. During the big wars you only needed a gun and special government sanctioned travel arrangements. Also, locations in Africa, the middle east and Russia though relatively close, still required passports for travel.
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Irenaeus.: In the EU, you need some form of photocard ID to travel between countries. This is usually a passport, but in countries where a national ID card scheme operates, you can use that instead. Passports aren't stamped when you cross borders. Some other countries are in a similar scheme to the EU for movement of people and trade, Switzerland being the obvious one.

Speaking as a UK person, passports are almost an essential item for us, they are the main form of ID since we do not have national ID cards, and are required for when you start work at most jobs.
Just by way of comparison, US residents don't need any ID at all to travel between states, which is roughly equivalent to Europeans traveling between countries (in terms of geography crossed). We only need a passport/ID to cross borders into Canada or Mexico, but most of us only rarely do things like that. I live only a half hour away from the Canadian border and since the new rules went into effect requiring passports, I don't go to Canada anymore. As it is, I only used to enter Canada to use it as a shortcut to head East to New York, but the between the hassles at the border these days and the fact that a passport is so expensive and such a pain in the ass to get (fill out a form, present it and multiple forms of identifying documentation in person, pay up to $165, wait 4-6 weeks to get it), the longer trip within the States is simply worth it.