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I find it amusing that you ridicule me, when I merely echo the complaints used by many pro-Steam gamers against Apple several years ago.
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melchiz: I find it amusing that you ridicule me, when I merely echo the complaints used by many pro-Steam gamers against Apple several years ago.

I find you amusing, period.
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Metro09: I find you amusing, period.

Amusing, how?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84VqqCPI7w
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melchiz: Steamworks, including the Steam Cloud, is a great system, but it emulates Apple's FairPlay DRM. Valve will never abandon this DRM model so long as consumers buy into it. Consumer outrage killed FairPlay, but gamers and the gaming media have been anything but critical of Valve.

Point is, no competitor brought out a better system then Steam. No real alternative = staying costumers.
.... and gamers not being critical of Valve/Steam? Really? Seems I can't find ANY discussion or even topic about Steam, without people dropping in just to tell me how bad Steam is and why we shouldn't use it.
Frankly, it crossed the point of an annoyance or being old.... it starts to stink.
Post edited December 24, 2009 by Siannah
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Siannah: .... and gamers not being critical of Valve/Steam? Really? Seems I can't find ANY discussion or even topic about Steam, without people dropping in just to tell me how bad Steam is and why we shouldn't use it.
Frankly, it crossed the point of an annoyance or being old.... it starts to stink.

^this...x1000, every time a Steam rant starts I think "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
A lot of people don't seem to get that some of us actually like the community aspects of Steam. I want to run the Steam client.
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melchiz: The iTunes (old, DRM-heavy style) model for gaming seriously irks me. Steam is a strong platform, but as gamers, we are locking ourselves in and giving Valve far too much control over PC gaming.
Steamworks, including the Steam Cloud, is a great system, but it emulates Apple's FairPlay DRM. Valve will never abandon this DRM model so long as consumers buy into it. Consumer outrage killed FairPlay, but gamers and the gaming media have been anything but critical of Valve. We love the Steam sales, but do not pause to consider the consequences of supporting a model that is inherently distrustful of paying customers.
To borrow a phrase, we are selling the rope with which Valve could hang us. Sure, the short-term benefit is obvious, but it is best for the future of gaming?

Thank you MrBuzzkill. what are you serving for dinner tomorrow? A lecture about the cruelties performed on Chritsmas turkeys ?
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CaptainGyro: Thank you MrBuzzkill. what are you serving for dinner tomorrow? A lecture about the cruelties performed on Chritsmas turkeys ?

Okay, okay, so it was a bit heavy-handed.
Listen, Steam has a lot of great features, but for those of us who are wary of DRM, Steam's model isn't good for the future of gaming. We need to either pressure Valve to change that model, or cultivate a viable competitor.
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xabbott: A lot of people don't seem to get that some of us actually like the community aspects of Steam. I want to run the Steam client.

For me, it isn't using it, but being forced to use it. It is useful, but the lock in strategy (gamer buys lots of titles during Steam sale -> gamer eventually has a massive collection on Steam -> gamer doesn't want to use other services because he has too much invested in Steam and because Steam has to be running all the time, there is little incentive to run another client, if even just to download games) sucks.
Anyway, at places like GoG, where people are generally anti-DRM, Steam receives criticism. However, the PC gaming community at large offers nothing but praise for Valve and Steam. Look through the archives over at Kotaku or Rock Paper Shotgun.
Post edited December 25, 2009 by melchiz
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melchiz: Anyway, at places like GoG, where people are generally anti-DRM, Steam receives criticism. However, the PC gaming community at large offers nothing but praise for Valve and Steam. Look through the archives over at Kotaku or Rock Paper Shotgun.

So then perhaps you should voice your complaints at those places instead of GoG since you acknowledge that most of the people here seem to get the point already?
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ceemdee: So then perhaps you should voice your complaints at those places instead of GoG since you acknowledge that most of the people here seem to get the point already?

That's so...logical.
Why would I do that? (Also, are you so certain that I don't?)
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Nel-A: Ack. So I got KOTOR but upon trying to start it up, it crashes everytime. I've looked into this a wee bit and basically the whole Steam forum is riddled with threads about how it crashes pretty much at will and it doesn't appear that Steam have done much about it.
Their advice is basically talk to the game developer! lol So, it's �3.50 odd wasted for me, but I wanted to give you a heads up lest anyone else waste money on this!
That is unless you know how to fix stuff like this! In which case, go nuts! :)
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Snickersnack: I just completed the CD versions of KOTOR 1 & 2. I had to set the processor affinity to a single core. After that, they worked fine.
A64x2 - Radeon 4770 - WinXP

Okay, right, thank you for the advice! Without meaning to be newbish, (but failing) how do I set the processor affinity to a single core? lol
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Nel-A: Okay, right, thank you for the advice! Without meaning to be newbish, (but failing) how do I set the processor affinity to a single core? lol

You can do that from Windows Task Manager (either ctrl+shift+esc or right-click task bar and select Start Task Manager). Select the proper game (running in the background) from Processes list, right-click and from "Set affinity..." menu untick unnecessary cores (you probably want to just have core 0 ticked).
Post edited December 25, 2009 by Trilogy
hmm. I kinda suspected that future "deal of the day"s would have to discount existing sale items. So i'm mostly hanging on until the end of the sale before I pick anything up. Unless it's a deal of the day. Then on the last day I'll see what I want.
Fingers crossed it doesn't bite me in the ass and some of the prices go up!
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Nel-A: Okay, right, thank you for the advice! Without meaning to be newbish, (but failing) how do I set the processor affinity to a single core? lol
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Trilogy: You can do that from Windows Task Manager (either ctrl+shift+esc or right-click task bar and select Start Task Manager). Select the proper game (running in the background) from Processes list, right-click and from "Set affinity..." menu untick unnecessary cores (you probably want to just have core 0 ticked).

I'll try it, thank you for the assistance! :)
Okay, having tried the trick with setting the Affinity, it still hasn't worked. It keeps sending the Error Report, long before I can find the SWKOTOR name in the list of processes. The game doesn't run in the background, it just dies!
When I go back to it and try it, it kinda defaults back to both 0 and 1 selected. So most likely there is something in what you're saying!
Anyway, thanks for trying to help.
Post edited December 25, 2009 by Nel-A
Couldn't we exchange some steam ids somewhere? Or is there a steam community or something for GOG? I'd join some random servers, but I don't like the average mental age of the players on steam (which is way, way lower than on GOG).
Borderlands is still expensive :(