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Posted December 16, 2014
This whole discussion is pointless, they are a storefront and have every right to not sell a product.
Posted December 16, 2014
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gibbeynator: This whole discussion is pointless, they are a storefront and have every right to not sell a product.
And I have every right to conclude that they are hypocritical shills who do not deserve my biz.
Posted December 16, 2014
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227: The reviews on Amazon (who sells the game) are almost universally negative, so I suppose it's possible that its sub-par quality had something to do with it
It's a good game. It's just not for everyone. It's a simple relaxing card game with a basic plot and very well-made erotic pictures (which probably should qualify as pornography, though - you do see sexual acts, visible genitalia included). I think it was a very enjoyable game, though. I guess it's mainly that people had other expectations. I played it after reading an okay review in a Polish mag (either 6 or 7 out of 10) and knew what I was getting into. I ended up even positively surprised, knowing that it's just a card game.
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realkman666: Seduce Me is genuinely shoddy and overpriced, but maybe it could make its way here as an older game in a bit. I'd love to play that.
So you say spread the claim that it's shoddy and overpriced without actually having played it?
Post edited December 16, 2014 by F4LL0UT
Posted December 16, 2014
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realkman666: Seduce Me is genuinely shoddy and overpriced, but maybe it could make its way here as an older game in a bit. I'd love to play that.
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F4LL0UT: So you say spread the claim that it's shoddy and overpriced without actually having played it?
Oh no, spread what you want. My personal judgment based on my research makes me not want to pay that much for that product, that's all.
Posted December 16, 2014
Before people give Steam any credit, how the heck did it appear on Greenlight in the first place? Wouldn't it have been better to have been denied originally to avoid any controversy? Or did Steam decide to put it on Greenlight with the sole purpose of removing it to "show their morals"?
Posted December 16, 2014
Only the players have to decide if it deserves to be released or not. A scandalous game can be either good or bad, no matter its subjects.
Posted December 16, 2014
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gibbeynator: This whole discussion is pointless, they are a storefront and have every right to not sell a product.
the greenlight service is there for gamers to vote on games they want to go on steam, thats the point of it, valce removed the game intsantly before people had a chance

thats bullshit and its bullshit they take it off while allowing GTA, Manhunt and postal
Posted December 16, 2014
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RWarehall: Before people give Steam any credit, how the heck did it appear on Greenlight in the first place? Wouldn't it have been better to have been denied originally to avoid any controversy? Or did Steam decide to put it on Greenlight with the sole purpose of removing it to "show their morals"?
Steam doesn't put games on greenlight, devs do. Steam can then remove them if they don't like them for one reason or another.

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pingu53: the greenlight service is there for gamers to vote on games they want to go on steam, thats the point of it, valce removed the game intsantly before people had a chance

thats bullshit and its bullshit they take it off while allowing GTA, Manhunt and postal
Let's be honest tho, Valve could never have even introduced a service like greenlight in the first place.
Posted December 16, 2014
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gibbeynator: This whole discussion is pointless, they are a storefront and have every right to not sell a product.
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pingu53: the greenlight service is there for gamers to vote on games they want to go on steam, thats the point of it, valce removed the game intsantly before people had a chance

thats bullshit and its bullshit they take it off while allowing GTA, Manhunt and postal
It's their store, they can sell whatever they want on THEIR store. GoG decides what does and does not go on sale here and nobody bats an eyelash. (Braid is a famous example).

It's no different than retail. Walmart chooses not to sell pornographic movies, hasn't stopped anyone shopping at Walmart. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to stop people buying on Steam.
Posted December 16, 2014
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pingu53: the greenlight service is there for gamers to vote on games they want to go on steam, thats the point of it, valce removed the game intsantly before people had a chance

thats bullshit and its bullshit they take it off while allowing GTA, Manhunt and postal
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synfresh: It's their store, they can sell whatever they want on THEIR store. GoG decides what does and does not go on sale here and nobody bats an eyelash. (Braid is a famous example).

It's no different than retail. Walmart chooses not to sell pornographic movies, hasn't stopped anyone shopping at Walmart. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to stop people buying on Steam.
my corner shop do not sell PC Gamer.... talk about censorship.
Posted December 16, 2014
If Steam wasnt so dominant in the PC market, I would just let this slide. The fact is getting on Steam can make or break a developer. Hopefully this is a one time thing and Valve doesn't start being the morality police for PC gaming.
Posted December 16, 2014
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synfresh: It's no different than retail. Walmart chooses not to sell pornographic movies, hasn't stopped anyone shopping at Walmart. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to stop people buying on Steam.
Wallmart is a family store, Steam is exclusively a gaming store. It's also a gaming store which claims to give consumers the power to curate, Greenlight’s purpose being to let consumers decide which games should be made available.

Hatred quickly reached #7 on the top 100 list before it was pulled. No rule has been broken and Valve have not explained their policies at this time.
Posted December 16, 2014
I just watched TB's piece on Hatred, now I know what we are talking about and in the end : I am baffled the game was pulled out.
It's just 'another game where you kill people' in my opinion, the fact that the fidelity is top-tier has indeed doesn't let me indifferent at all, kind of the same reason why I can't watch a SAW movie (I watched the first and thought it was a waste of my time, I didn't enjoy it at all on a lot of levels), however I still can completely get why people would want o play that.

It makes me thin of a high fidelity Serious Sam (regarding the gratuitous violence [edit2 : 'gratuitous' isn't the right word here, I hope you see what I mean] ) but aimed at symbolic entities (virtual cops and citizens).
And censoring that just because is wrong when you already sell a shit-ton of crappy violent games with clearly inferior gameplay value.

As far as I saw, I don't see any political/revisionist agenda in that game so I really don't have anything against it.

GOG should just release it. Seriously.

Edit : typos
Post edited December 16, 2014 by Potzato
Posted December 16, 2014
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monkeydelarge: There is a difference between Steam and a Christian bakery. A Christian bakery is not capable of censorship because what they sell is cake. Just cake. So by refusing to make a cake for a cause they don't agree with, they aren't supporting censorship. But I still think what they did, makes them asshats. I've haven't put much though into this so maybe I could be wrong. Maybe this Christian bakery is guilty of censorship.

"Why SHOULD they have to provide resources for something they don't wish to promote?"
Because if they don't, they are taking part in censorship and censorship is evil. If they don't want to promote a product they don't like, they can just sell the product but not advertise it. Yes, I know for those stores, it's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. But that's life. If I became the owner of Walmart or Steam or whatever, I would sell a game made by Anita Sarkeesian(even though I think she is an evil man hater) if she made a game because if I don't, I'd be supporting censorship and that is something 1000 times worse.

I don't care what Steam is and what they want. They are still taking part in censorship and it is wrong.

"and probably won't sell all that many copies, and probably result in negative blowback for steam wasn't worth it."
I highly doubt this. First of all, the blowback will be nothing more than a bunch of people whining at forums and on blogs. I highly doubt these people will boycott Steam if Steam started selling Hatred. And if they did, no loss there because most of these people aren't even real gamers. And if Hatred was available through Steam, they'd probably sell many copies because a lot of people see that Hatred is just a harmless game(and a symbol). And a lot of people can handle violence in video games. I should also point out that Hatred has already received tons of free advertisement from those who are trying to stop the spread of the game. And because the game has become so controversial, there are going to be people buying the game, just to experience something controversial.
It seems you are applying your standards inconsistently.
A video game can be a form of expression and speech that a storefront can censor, but a cake (penis shaped? vulgarities written on it with icing? having a stripper pop out?) cannot, and a bakery cannot practice censorship?
A storefront is guilty of censorship if they refuse to stock a certain game, but there is no censorship occurring if they're forced to ignore their right to freedom of expression and NOT stock it?
Not stocking a game due to business reasons is okay, but not stocking it due to personal reasons is wrong? (although you seem to have gone back on this point)
Blowback from featuring a game on their site won't be anything more than a few whiny people on game forums, but blowback from removing a game on their site won't be anything more than that?
Posted December 16, 2014
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synfresh: It's no different than retail. Walmart chooses not to sell pornographic movies, hasn't stopped anyone shopping at Walmart. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to stop people buying on Steam.
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markrichardb: Wallmart is a family store, Steam is exclusively a gaming store. It's also a gaming store which claims to give consumers the power to curate, Greenlight’s purpose being to let consumers decide which games should be made available.

Hatred quickly reached #7 on the top 100 list before it was pulled. No rule has been broken and Valve have not explained their policies at this time.
interesting.wonder why they let it get to that point THEN valve finds it objectionable.surely they must have already been aware of the media about this game beforehand
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